Talk:Hogwarts
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There was lots of discussion on Talk:Harry Potter about whether it's in Scotland or not. It is - for more, please see that talk page. For convenience here is one piece of evidence from there: "Hogwarts ... Logically it had to be set in a secluded place, and pretty soon I settled on Scotland in my mind." Fraser, L., An interview with J.K.Rowling, Mammoth, London, 2000. ISBN 0-7497-4394-8. pp 20-21. Nevilley 11:52 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)
- I'd say no to it's in Scotland. Yes, there are good reasons to think it's in Scotland, but the book never states that: ask yourself why ? Perhaps does Scotland not even exist in the fictional world that the book describes ;-) Even the fact that J.K.Rowlings gets her inspiration from Scotland does not mean that she thinks that the Castle has to be in Scotland. It just has to be in a secluded place, and in order not to perturbate the readers, she makes them think that that secluded place might be Scotland. (Although some readers appear not to think the expected way.) The difference, of course, is slight, and perhaps I'm just being pedantic here, but it feels significant to me. That's akin to the difference between fact and fiction. --FvdP 19:59 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- Having written that, I just read this: In one of the Comic Relief books (Fabulous Beasts and Where To Find Them), the author mentions that a nest of horrific giant spiders (I forget the exact name) has been rumoured to exist in a forest in Scotland. There is an annotation by Harry (or Ron) that says "confirmed by Harry Potter and Ron Weasley". Presumably this refers to when they meet Aragog in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. (in Talk:Harry Potter) so yes, maybe is Hogwarts in Scotland after all... --FvdP 20:05 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think if there is a lack of clarity in the articles, it's better to make the articles clearer, and to add the references there, rather than doing so in the talk pages. Otherwise the same questions will come up again and again. -- Oliver P. 01:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- Good idea --FvdP
- I think the fact that the author says it's in Scotland does a lot to clear up the 'unclarity', doesn't it? -- Someone else 01:44 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- Except that she says "Scotland in my mind" not "Scotland in the book" ;-) --FvdP 17:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The school does not appear on Muggle maps, but it is not "unmappable": Harry gets hold of an enchanted map showing every passge, corridor and room in Hogwarts' grounds and where any person in the grounds is (see Marauder's Map). shows .... --Uncle Ed 19:43 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- I've removed "The school is unplotable (cannot found on a map)". According to this page (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/spells_u.html) in "The Harry Potter Lexicon", "Hogwarts also has wards and spells on it to hide its true nature from Muggles, but it is apparently not Unplottable." -- Oliver P. 01:37 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
One quick correction that should be made: The mascot of the Ravenclaw house is not the eagle, but the Raven, hence the name. The eagle, especially in American mythology, has been a symbol of courage and morality, not for intelligence. The raven on the other hand has long been a symbol of intelligence in mythology and literature.
If anyone wishes to move this page, could they please use the "Move this page" function, to preserve the article history? Thanks. I'm not sure a move is necessary, though. The school is often referred to as just "Hogwarts", and the opening line gives the full name anyway. -- Oliver P. 16:35, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
If you have an article here on the Chamber of Secrets, you should also have one on the other rooms at Hogwarts. Your description of the school houses are very short. The writer didn't go into a lot of detail. User:12.203.10.240
- Wikipedia is a collaborative project - anyone is free to edit the articles, to add to them, and to improve them in any way that they see fit. There is no single "writer" responsible for any of the articles. Anyone who comes here is free to write in any of the articles. Including you. If you think the article can be improved, just go for it! :) -- Oliver P. 21:32, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I moved the stuff about the Chamber of Secrets to the part about the founding of the school. It fits better there.
I listed Filius as Flitwick's first name, because the Harry Potter Lexicon said "Warwick Davis, in an interview with Comingsoon.com, indicated that JKR had told him that Flitwick's first name was Filius," and, as it was noted at the Lexicon, this may be second-hand, but it's still canon.
The Detention at Hogwarts page has turned out to be copyed from the Harry Potter Lexicon. The link here has been deleted until further notice. This is due to my beilef that the author didn't realize the "no copyrighting policy" and we may want to recreate the link if the author replaces this article with an orginal one.
The author of Detentions at Hogwarts page has decided to let the page be deleted. The page has now been deleted.
Hi, I'm back! I've noticed my absence has gone completly unoticed.
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Too long?
- I like the article pretty much but isn't it too long being one article? Can we split off some sections? -- Taku
- I don't think it is too long. It's less than 30kb. There isn't really anything substantial enough to split off. We don't want to end up with lots of stub relating to Harry Potter, which is why I think they have been merged in here. Angela 07:12, Oct 18, 2003 (UTC)
Image
What's the status on the image heading this article? Has Warner Brothers released it into the public domain? I find this extremely dubious, especially given the watermark present on it. - Korath 02:25, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Concerning Ravenclaw's mascot: even though the raven is symbolically associated with intelligence rather than the eagle and I would have liked the raven to be Ravenclaw's mascot as it really makes more sense, I still think the eagle is the mascot of Ravenclaw House.
Some pieces of proof include:
- Chapter Three (The Letters from No One) from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, where Hogwarts' coat of arms on the envelope is described as "a lion, an eagle, a badger and a snake surrounding a large letter 'H'"
- The Harry Potter Lexicon's entry on Ravenclaw (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/hogwarts/houses/ravenclaw.html), where Ravenclaw's animal is listed as "eagle". The sidebar also features a possible reason for Ravenclaw's mascot not being a raven.
- The fact that Gryffindor's mascot is not a griffin or a hippogriff, despite what its name suggests, and
- The card "Ravenclaw Eagle" from the Harry Potter Trading Card Game as part of a cycle of cards featuring the mascots of the houses.
I hope the proof is sufficient to warrant my editing the article to that effect. Sinistro 22:50, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Uniform
I suspect there to be some movie contamination in the description of the Hogwarts uniform: I don't recall anything except robes being described in the books. --Phil | Talk 13:49, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
This article is weird. Fiction gets carried so far and the description is so detailed for something fictional. Nicely written however. — Stevey7788 (talk) 05:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Origin of the name 'Hogwarts'
Rowling has said that she doesn't recall where she got the name 'Hogwarts'. In a couple of interviews (linked to below), she ventured that she may have been exposed to the name on a visit to Kew Gardens, where apparently a type of lily called 'Hogwarts' can be seen.
Hence, I would like to delete the following statement from the article: "J.K. Rowling took the name Hogwarts from a fictional Latin play in a Molesworth book by Geoffrey Willans."
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/1999/0999-familyeducation-abel.htm
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2001/1001-sydney-renton.htm