Talk:Hell

The last section on the "urban legend" seems like a pretty ridiculous digression for an encyclopedia article. I'm going to remove it if there are no objections. Vonspringer 03:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

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OK this is probably too big a topic to cover on one page. Almost every religion has a version of Hell, some Christian sects even believe in up to 3 hells, one where fallen angels are locked up until the final judgement, one where unsaved souls are kept after death until the final judgement, and one where all of the above are cast into at the final judgement(also called the lake of fire). Also some don't believe in eternal torment in hell, they believe that after some amount of suffering the damned simply 'cease to be', as if they had never existed. The Muslims have a Hell, the Mormons have a kind of hell, the old Norse religion had a hell too. There is just too much, I don't know where to start! --MemoryHole.com

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I suggest with an outline of what you know, to be filled in with research!  :-) --LMS

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Ooooh - can we have a list of "Celebrities in Hell"? --MichaelTinkler

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How about a list of "Celebrities We Wish were in Hell?" -- Stephen Gilbert

That's how Dante operated! See Boniface VIII. --MichaelTinkler

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I'd like to move the main article on hell to the top, and the Hell, Norway link back to the bottom. Any objections? Atorpen 03:59 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

The Hell Norway link is two lines, and if you were looking for it, if it was at the bottom you would never scroll down there. What's wrong with a disambiguation at the top? It's short enough. Rick Boatright 04:01 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, as you say. I was only thinking that it does slightly interrupt the flow of the article, and I would assume (naughty, naughty) most English speakers would be looking for the more common usage. It wasn't the length I was worried about. I've noticed that many articles use disambig at bottom, and thought this was an appropriate place to do the same. Since you object, and seem more concerned and knowledgable about it than I am, I bow to your wishes. Have a nice day :) Atorpen 04:07 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

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the few sentences about "japanese and chinese hells" appear to be somehow biased; at least I ´ve read it like that (from Germany)

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Whenever I read in Wikipedia according to many religious beliefs... oh well. Does anyone know that Hell comes into Christianity from Persia? Wetman 08:59, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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From the introductory paragraphs (paras 4&7 currently):

"The Judeo-Christian term hell comes from the Hebrew word "Gehinnom", which technically means landfill"

This seems partially at odds with, or at least needlessly repeated by, a later paragraph:

"The New Testament...uses the word 'Gehenna', from the valley of Ge-Hinnom, a valley near Jerusalem in which in ancient times garbage was burned."

I'm guessing that both are accurate and the word for landfill comes from the valley's name (or the reverse), but it's a mite confusing as stands.

Oh, and there are two definitely-conflicting derivations for the word "hell" itself: the Anglo-Saxon/Norse Hel connection (first paragraph) and the Gehinnom connection I quoted above. If it's not known which is correct, at the very least there should be some recognition along the lines of "one theory says X, but another says Y".

Looks like two or more authors' work, just needing better collation. --Suitov 16:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Contents

1 The words "hELLO" and "hELL" 2 List of works set in hell 3 Organizing Afterlife Articles 4 cold hell 4.1 Hell/Hellas - Judeo-Christian Mythology 5 Manga? 6 The Rings of Hell 7 More Input on other religions Hells/(-)Afterlife

The words "hELLO" and "hELL"

On a calculator, you can type a number in it and turn it upside down. If you type 0.7734, you will get good manners, "hELLO". However, you will get bad manners if you drop off the 0. Interestingly, the words are not at all realted.

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List of works set in hell

Is there a list somewhere on Wikipedia of works (books/songs/etc) set in hell? →Raul654 07:10, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)

• Probably not. Such a list would almost certainly include Shaw's Don Juan in Hell, and none of the pages that link to that (as-yet-unwritten) article are lists. -- Nunh-huh 07:13, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)~
  • Off the top of my head - there's Paradise Lost and G. David Shine in Hell (funniest play ever!). →Raul654 07:28, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • Well, Paradise Lost is only a little bit in Hell<G>. Similarly the oper "Don Giovanni": no actual scenes in Hell, just a lick of fire and brimstone. "Inferno" and "Memnoch the Devil" pop to mind. As well as the most hilarious parts of "South Park".... - Nunh-huh 07:34, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • And the Simpsons, and Futurama, for that matter. →Raul654 07:37, Mar 17, 2004 (UTC)
        • Ah! Robot Hell!<G> --Nunh-huh 07:42, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • If I'm not mistaken, I think "Don Juan in Hell" is actually part of Man and Superman by Shaw. -- Decumanus 07:45, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
            • • • 3rd Act, but no less in hell for all that<G>-- Nunh-huh 10:01, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)~
  • Also Aeneid includes the Roman underworld, which is worth mentioning since Dante based a lot of Inferno on that account. --Chinasaur 00:14, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Organizing Afterlife Articles

I propose Afterlife to be the organizational hub of the group of articles dealing with a life beyond this world. The other contenders for a hub article would be underworld and eschatology, but I don't think either of those terms works as well as Afterlife. Any other thougths about improving the organization of the otherworld articles? Tom (hawstom) 14:37, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

cold hell

weren't some versions or areas of hell frozen instead of hot? dante's inferno, i think. - Omegatron 19:37, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

I believe the entire 9th (lowest, deepest, reserved for traitors) circle of Hell is frozen in Inferno. At least there is definitely the frozen lake of the river cocytus. --Chinasaur 22:22, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hell/Hellas - Judeo-Christian Mythology

Hell as a concept might have come from the Greco-Roman occupation of Judea-Israel. The Greeks and thenm the Romans forced their beliefs on the Hebrews and desicrated the Hebrew places of worhip. The Assyrians and Babylonians allowed them to practice their own ways while even in captivity. And as par for the historical ourse they were later absorbed by the larger and more powerfull culture. I think that Hellas, the Greek word for themselves, was used to scare little children in the same ways that the bogeyman is used today. The Hebrews as a zenophobic people would have resisted the introduction of foreign, to them, beliefs. Especially any that coutravened any of their existing beliefs. This is my theory and I'm sticking with it.--Tomtom 15:57, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hellas means "the land of the Hellenes", the people we English speakers call the Greeks. Hellen (note the double letters) is the mythological ancestor of the Hellenes. Too Old 21:53, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Manga?

Are manga really that relevent to a look at the actual mythological beliefs in hell? I'm under the impression that manga are fairly recent...

They are if you're putting them in the Hell in entertainment category... Ø 20:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

The Rings of Hell

Why aren't the rings or layers of Hell mentioned in this article? There doesn't seem to be an article about them, and they aren't mentioned anywhere here. --Berserk798 16:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

They're described in the article about Dante's Inferno. -Tverbeek 20:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but shouldn't they be included or at least linked to this article? --Berserk798 22:04, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This sounds like a troll: Furthermore, the very concept of Hell in the Christian religion completly nullifies the concept of a just and moral God, as a truly just or moral being would not torture another being for the victimless crime of not worshipping him. It's in the More on the history and description of Hell in Christianity section. --68.63.228.74 05:42, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Sounds pretty biased to me. I took the liberty of removing it.

17:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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More Input on other religions Hells/(-)Afterlife

I was curious, and made a mention already in the article about it-- though if it is to early ill delete it, that alot of the hells in other religions seems to be very loose and empty, much attention has been given to a christian sense of of hell, which i can understand since the main readers will more likely than not be more familiar with it. though in that case though, perhaps the other hells could be elongated and more thouroughly researched, perhaps from their respective literature and background thoughts. the one thing i put in, perhaps too hastily, is that hell in Islam is propagated into several rings similar to the Inferno depending on the amount of evil done, i will research this more and place more info with time regarding what must be done to warrant what in those rings, though i will be brief and thourough with it, and then perhaps others could look up others regarding other types of hells, or even it as a state of mind found within some philosophies.