Talk:Guilty Gear

Please add to the page if you know more. What I'd really like to see are some details on the technical side of the game, both on the technology and on the gameplay. I'm not enough of an expert on fighting games to provide useful information on those details, but I'm sure someone here is.

Surprised no one did this sooner. --Paul Soth 03:29, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

I've re-worded and extended most of the game mechanics section, basing my information off of Ed Chang's FAQs available at GameFAQs and at RomanCancel.com. I'm not really sure if we should include every single publisher involved with Guilty Gear, but I included the North American ones because I'm assuming the article's audience is mostly English-reading and from NA. BTW please don't post up stuff about GGX#R/ ("GG Slash") until after Golden Week. We have no confirmation of this rumour and it's quite possible that it's a hoax (I have seen good evidence that discredits the rumours.) -rtl, 29 April 2005

Well, apparently a few American players were at Tougeki/Super Battle Opera 2005 and saw GG Slash in one of the arcades there. I guess all we have to do now is wait for official news and screenshots about what the heck is going on. -rtl, 14 May 2005 (GMT)

Very cool stuff - GG Slash is officially undergoing a second beta test in Ikebukuro and *somewhere else* in Japan ( http://www.arcsy.co.jp/frame-top.html ). Beta test videos can be found at www.romancancel.com . -rtl, 13 June 2005 (UTC)

Hm ... www.romancancel.com has been just giving me a 403 error ... anyone know what's up with that? --Yar Kramer 03:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They're back up. Full story on why the site went down is on the front page, but in short: head admin made a newspost while he was drunk and somehow overworked the server, so the site got snuffed for a week. But it's all good now. -rtl, 22 June 2005 (UTC)

Contents

1 Screenshot 2 GGX #Reload? 3 Dizzy's parents? 4 Splitting off the article 5 "Technical Elements" 6 May's crew 7 Redirects

Screenshot

Does anyone have better screenshots than the one from GGX:AE? It makes it look like the graphics are as bad as most other 2D fighters, and one of the selling points of GG is its stunning graphic resolution. -rtl, 15 June 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I uploaded the GBA screenshot. But I agree a PS2 or XBOX screenshot would be better. But obtaining one without copyright is exceeding difficult. For my GBA screenshots, I download the ROM from my GBA carts with a GBA/USB data-cable. I then run the ROM in a emulator to obtain the screenshot. Since there are no XBOX or PS2 emulators, obtaining a screenshot from those platforms is much more difficult. Copying screenshots from other websites is a copyright violation. This is probably true even if you get permission, since the chances are they are not the copyright holder. Your best best for XBOX or PS2 screenshots is to run the console through a TV card and capture the shots that way. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 12:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I could get a screenshot from the PC version of #Reload. Anyone got any suggestions of what I could take it from? :D -Yar Kramer 18:51, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Paint Shop Pro and Photoshop have screen capture tools. Failing that try pressing the Print Scrn key and pasting in to your favorite graphics software. If you can, save it as a PNG as JPEG will lose guilty-gear's excellent pixle-art. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 21:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I meant more, what kind of situation. I suppose "random in the middle of gameplay" will work ... ;) --Yar Kramer 23:16, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Whoops, Sorry. :) --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 00:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I've taken four screenshots; they're viewable no longer, because I want to save bandwidth. Any suggestions on which one I should use? I'm kinda leaning towards the Axl one, myself. And yes, I am a big fan of Dizzy.

I like the vs Millia one. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 01:09, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great, all we need is two more votes and we can have a four-way tie. ;) --Yar Kramer 18:26, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC

Just use the one you like. After all, you took the screenshots. :) --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:42, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Righto! :D --Yar Kramer 02:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

BTW thanks JiFish, it was definitely a good idea and I appreciate the time you took to do it. I also have LOTS of my own screenshots (like, most moves that the characters do, and instant kills and cool stuff like that), but I can't quite figure out how to upload pics onto Wikipedia, so if someone could point me in the right direction I may add some more screenshots to the other GG pages. -rtl, 22 June 2005 (UTC)

IMO, every article should have a picture. So, I've been adding as many as I can. (My Gallery). In order to upload pictures, you must first sign up for an account. Good luck adding pictures to articles! :) --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 14:09, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

GGX #Reload?

I'd like to see more information on #Reload, as I've only played GG (PSX) and GGX (PS2 and Dreamcast). --Jonathan Drain 18:49, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Dunno if you're still watching this, but if you want a qualitative summary, here's Echang's FAQ/Move List (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/914738.html|). If you want a quantitative summary, go here (http://www.gamecombos.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a4945b778c3bccb8c9131c55b2c951b3&threadid=12444|) for all the nitty-gritty frame data details. -rtl, 13 June 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. The gamecombos link doesn't seem to work. Yar Kramer 05:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just tried it, and it works fine for me. -rtl, 22 June 2005 (UTC)

Dizzy's parents?

I've heard a rumour that Dizzy's mother was Justice but I haven't seen it written anywhere. Where did that idea come from? --Jonathan Drain 20:27, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It's cannon, really. The real debate comes out of the question of who her father is. --Paul Soth 19:00, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It makes sense, but I'm just wondering where it was written, or if it is just a popular theory (like Ash Ketchum's father being Giovanni.) --Jonathan Drain 20:27, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I believe it was revealed in Drama CD side black. For technical information, see thegearproject.org -- anonymous

Yeah. I remember getting into a huge argument with the other people on that subject on the thegearproject.org forum. My main argument was that it seemed chronologically impossible (since Justice is sealed away for five years prior to GG, Dizzy is three years old as of GGX, and GGX is less than a year after GG). I suppose the best way out of that is that she was born from an egg or something. Yar Kramer

Not necessarily. In Volume Two of GGX Drama CD, in the side story about how Testament and Dizzy meet, Dizzy reveals to Testament that she "was abandoned as a child". Although "child" is a bit vague, we can (arguably) infer from her diction that she was at least old enough to have coherent memories, which would date her as a few years old at that time and would imply that her current age is around 6 or 7, maybe more - at least enough to bypass theories about how Dizzy was born in non-mammalian fashion :) -- rtl, 29 April 2005

I'd say "yes but every other source I've seen says she's 3" but I just KNOW I'm going to be overruled by something "more canon". I REALLY don't wanna debate about this. Yar Kramer 23:09, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, while I'm not sure what the gestation period of a Gear is, or whether a "dimensional prison" has more than one person in it, I think it's plausible that Justice had the baby while in her prison, and Dizzy somehow got out when she did. And I'm fairly certain that the three years occurred SINCE she was left with the couple who raised her.

I know that it's been three years since she was left by the older couple. And I don't see why this would become a silly debate like at other forums - I'm just asking to see an official reference that says, "Dizzy is 3 years old." All I've seen is, "It's been 3 years since Dizzy was found as a child." (And besides, saying that something is "more canon" doesn't make sense - it's either canonical or it isn't - there aren't varying degrees of "canonicality"/"canon-ness".) -rtl, 14 May 2005 (GMT)

Doesn't Diz actually call Justice "mother" if you face them against each other in GGX2? That's the only direct in-game evidence I can find. Of course, since Justice could be considered the "mother" of the Gears in a metaphorical sense, it could have that meaning too. As for her father, several in-game factors point to Sol, but that seems rather impossible outside of the metaphorical sense (he certainly is the "father" of the Gears, and his protective nature could be representing that face). Testament is also a likely suspect, but it's also just as likely she doesn't have a father at all. My theory? Dizzy is Sol's daughter, and Justice is Sol's wife. After Frederick performed the Gear modification on himself, he did so on his family without considering the consequences, and never told anyone about it. Since Gears don't age, that would leave Dizzy a little girl. It also explains why Diz and Justice popped up "out of nowhere", since Frederick simply didn't tell anyone about the experiments on his family. --UsaSatsui 19:29, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

That theory is flawed in a fundamental way: Dizzy is found by an old couple as a baby. There's no way she could age the equivalent of 16 or so years in only three, but somehow stay a baby for nearly a hundred. Digital Watches 02:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I dunno what she says in the voice clips in GGX2 (my Japanese is limited to "Sore wa himitsu desu" and random nouns); all I know is that Justice's Arcade Mode victory quote against Dizzy is "It's time for you to go to sleep" and Diz's quote against Justice is "Umm...are you alright? (Why do I feel like I've seen this one before....)" Make of this what you will. And anyway, it's a bad idea to throw out a theory when you don't know all the info. That, I know that for a fact. Yar Kramer 03:13, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sheesh, cut me a little slack. It's as plausable as anything else. Who's to say that she didn't remain a baby for a hundred or so years? I'm not trying to pass it off as canon or official or anything. It's just an interesting thought.

Well, it was plausible, until I just double-checked and realized Dizzy is half-gear. That rules out Sol or Testament being the father, at least if Diz was born 3 years ago (I don't buy the 100-year baby myself...)

And no, Dizzy has no quotes directly calling Justice "mother". Sheesh, was I right about anything? No, apparently not. Grrr... --UsaSatsui 08:14, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I still like the "egg" idea better. ;) Speaking of which, someone asked where, exactly, it said canonically that Dizzy was three years old. Boom. (http://www.guiltygearx.com/ggx/eng/cara/c_dz.htm) (And it looks canon to me ... (http://www.guiltygearx.com/ggx/eng/)) Yar Kramer 16:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! (Boom? Did you just hit me? :O) -rtl, 11 June 2005 (UTC)

Nah, just being silly. ^_^ Yar Kramer 01:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Splitting off the article

I moved the character bios to Characters in Guilty Gear since the article was getting too large. I guess this marks the beginning of a whole new Wikipeda category. --Paul Soth 17:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with this. The article is certainly growing large, but I do not think the characters themselves deserve a Wikipedia entry; this leans into the category of 'fancruft' which is against Wikipedia's guidelines of good content. --Jonathan Drain 16:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the above. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 16:59, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Um, which "the above"? Yar Kramer 17:02, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I agree wuth Jonathan Drain. One article for all the characters is fine. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 17:27, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. Hmm. See, my problem in any given debate like this is I can see how it could go either way, but without any ... qualitativeness to come to any real conclusion beyond "what was going on already." I suppose we could go to Wikicities and start up a Guilty Gear wiki, which would give us, well, all kinds of stuff to work with, and allow us to trim down the main Guilty Gear article. Yar Kramer 17:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was looking at the policies Wikicities has, and I don't think we would qualify. One of their policies ("What wikicities is not", I think) says that it's not appropriate for small groups, and I think there's only a small group of people working on the GG articles here. -rtl, 22 June 2005 (UTC)

Jonathan, are you suggesting we merge the "Characters..." article back into this one (somewhere at the bottom)? -rtl, 22 June 2005

"Technical Elements"

As a player of this game, I know a little about a few technical things, including some tricks that aren't officially part of the game, such as the "Tiger Knee" maneuver and of course super-cancelling, if that helps. Digital Watches 06:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Um, yeah, but if you care enough about them to mention them here, could you at least explain what they are for those who don't know? Yar Kramer 23:10, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, dreadfully sorry. Erm... Well, super-cancelling is a common practice in most fighting games, and it refers to using the movement for one move to lead into an overdrive-type move, usually resulting in the overdrive becoming impossible to block. "Tiger-knee"ing refers to using an aerial-only move very close to the ground by performing the directional motion for a move only available in midair, followed by an "up" command immediately before pressing the required button. Hope that helps. Digital Watches 06:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

... Hot damn. And I was already feeling inadequate due to being unable to False Roman Cancel. *sob* ;) Yar Kramer 05:16, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Could you rename the section on "Super Cancelling and Buffering" to just "Buffering"? I always thought Super Cancelling was the same as cancelling a normal attack into a super/overdrive. -rtl, 14 May 2005 (GMT)

No, they're completely different, actually. A super cancel is something like tacking a Slash onto the first quartercircle of Sacred Edge to add an extra projectile at the beginning, buffering is like, falling down and doing the movement for a move while on the ground.

I fixed a few blurbs, like Gatling Cancel and Air Throw, and added Special Cancel, Jump Cancel and its derivatives, Dizzy, and Guard Gauge. I'd like to add more stuff like Negative Penalty, Dash/Air Dash/Instant Air Dash and Dash Cancelling, and maybe Instant Block and Counter Hit, but should we include things like Jump Install, Clashing, Hit Stun and Impossible Dust, Faultless Defense Cancel, Attack Levels, and Reversals? -rtl, 14 May 2005 (GMT)

Could you also explain what Dust Loops are?

I could, but I think they would be more suitably explained under the character-specific articles, since only Baiken and Sol have dust loops. -rtl, 22 May 2005 (GMT)

Somebody ought to put pages for Baiken and Sol then. Yar Kramer 21:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

May's crew

Okay, as you can see (http://ggxlol.highervoltage.net/may/index.html) if you look immediately to the right of Novel (the one in the mecha), you can see that one of the crew of the Jellyfish Pirates appears identical Roll Caskett. I've tried to narrow it down a bit, but as the character listing in Trivia are a bit scant on visual descriptions, I have no idea whether she's Febe, Augus, or Sephy. I'd like to comment on her resemblance to Roll, the way I've commented on the resemblance of Novel's mecha to Tron Bonne's Gustaff, but... yeah. Yar Kramer 16:30, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

From RomanCancel.com's Plot/Character FAQ, Febe is the record-keeper, so I think that's who it is. -rtl, 14 May 2005 (GMT)

Redirects

Mitsukai. If you're watching this page, I think we should avoid a revert war by talking about the redirect issue here. I feel that it's necessary, being that confusion could occur about things like Zato/Eddie. Please discuss this here before changing the redirects.Digital Watches 18:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)