Talk:Georgia (country)

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Hey AllI have added a poll to the Talk:Georgia regarding the moving of Georgia (country) to Georgia. Please go vote, non binding, all the rest. I am simple seeing who out there is still interested in this topic and I don't want to do something preemtively. 24.68.208.246 21:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)

Hm. Should the titles here be moved to "Blah of Georgia", ignoring the ambiguity with the US state Georgia? -- April

Georgia the country is an independent political entity, Georgia the state is nothing more than an internal political subdivision of the US. Plus, Georgia the country has been called that since long before the state even existed. Georgia the country is the more important meaning, internationally, and hence if there is an ambiguity conflict preference should be given to the country. -- SJK

Are you sure?? The country began in 1991 and the state began in the eighteenth century, which ended in 1799. 66.32.69.62 22:55, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm... weak argument. History of Georgia states, "The recorded history of Georgia dates back more than 4,000 years and the Georgian language is one of the oldest living languages in the world."

That is as may be, but which will be the number one search subject? That's the important question. -- Zoe

Searching for 'Sakartvelo' does not find this page (as it should). -- ignatios

I agree that ambiguity conflict preference should be given to the country. However, vis-a-vis the relative "importance of meaning", it behooves me as an immigrant to the U.S. state of Georgia (from the U.S. State of New York) that the state is 60% more populous than the country and WAS declared a Free and Independent State along with the remainder of the original 13 in 1776. Also it's a close call as to who produced the most famous native (I.V. Dzugashvili v. J.E. Carter)...

I think I.V. Dzugashvili had a slightly bigger impact on history than J.E. Carter... :-) -- ChrisO 09:54, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I suggest moving Georgia (country) to Georgia and the disambiguation page from Georgia to Georgia (disambiguation). Whether we do so or not, the U.S. state will still be at Georgia (U.S. state); if someone is looking for information on the U.S. state and searches for "Georgia", they will still have to click an extra link. As a precedent, consider Luxembourg, which isn't called "Luxembourg (country)" despite the existence of Luxembourg (province of Belgium). —Bkell 09:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Or, for that matter, Azerbaijan (both a country and a province of Iran). It's a good point. The US state should clearly be subordinate in hierarchy to the country. Your proposal sounds very sensible. -- ChrisO 23:17, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There is a similar discussion at Talk:Georgia -- User:Docu

Please see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Hierarchy_of_place_names_and_disambiguation_guidelines for a proposed rule on disambiguation hierarchies - if adopted it would provide a consistent basis for what to call identically-named geographic areas of differing levels of status (including the two Georgias). -- ChrisO 11:42, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have to concur here with the consensus. Georgia (country) is the preëminent political entity, cultural contributor, and influence on world history, when juxtaposed with Georgia (U.S. State). It'd be ignominious to overlook that and place them at parity as if the former weren't those things. I propose, as others have, the establishment of a Georgia (disambiguation) page. That way, access to either page will not be curtailed, but neither will Wikipedia be forced into neglecting its responsibility to providing the more pertinent search (Georgia (country)) the priority it deserves. In short, I'd prefer the Georgia search criterion to result in a redirect to the Georgia (country) page. the neoteric Georgia (disambiguation) page would then be an option listed atop Georgia (country), and from thence, one could select Georgia (U.S. State). Earthliberator 00:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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About the national anthem, is it Sakartvelo as stated in the article or Dideba zetsit kurthelus? I just ran across this article and was wondering. Dori 05:15 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I apparently can't read, nevermind. Dori

Yesterday (May 20, 2004) Georgia adopted a new anthem (music by David Kechakmadze, text by David Magradze) and coat of arms (which should be pretty close to the previous one, judging by its description here, in Russian (http://pda.lenta.ru/vojna/2004/05/20/arms)). I can't finnd anything on it but we need at least a new image -- apoivre 16:05, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

UPDATE The new coat of arms hasn't been approved by the Parliament yet but you can see the project here, behind Saakashvili & Co - [1] (http://gazeta.ru/2004/05/26/images/i4_121987_970.jpg). The new flag and the new anthem have been approved. -- apoivre 09:09, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

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I'd just like to say that I like the words "...Russia increased their pressure by deploying Security Council secretary Igor Ivanov..." since Ivanov really is a weapon used against Georgian leaders... Hah! --Oceanhahn 04:59, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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I've copy-edited paragraph 1 of the section 'History'. This looks as though it has been written by someone whose mother tongue is not English. I'm not questioning the accuracy of the information given, but perhaps someone who knows more about the subject than me (i.e. anyone who knows the basics of Georgian history) might like to review this paragraph to check that my changes have not intorduced errors. Thanks, Arcturus 21:56, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents

1 Georgia COA 2 European country? 3 mistake 4 name 5 Cut-paste move

Georgia COA

the COA in the main page is not similat to the COA in the "full size"!!! 83.130.27.45 18:12, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

European country?

Just to state that there is an open poll in here regarding the fact of Georgia being or not being in Europe and if it should figure in the template.--Joao Campos 17:38, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

mistake

i don't know if i should be writing this here, but in the fact box in Georgia (country) it gives the American Georgian capital not the correct one.

name

Why don't we just change this to Republic of Georgia and the state to State of Georgia? - 68.72.133.233 01:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose. (just in case this sneaks in under the radar) –Hajor 04:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose because it would mean more typing: [[Georgia (country)|]] is easier than [[Republic of Georgia|Georgia]], i.e. Georgia is easier than Georgia. --Henrygb 10:11, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose, because the correct name is just Georgia, so any additional text should clearly be disambiguation text (although I would be in favour of moving it to Georgia). —Michael Z. 2005-05-26 18:54 Z

Template:Notmoved violet/riga (t) 10:29, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Cut-paste move

About an hour and a half ago, somebody cut-pasted the Georgia (country) article. Anything to say?? Georgia guy 14:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. C&P moves are evil. –Hajor 14:27, 30 May 2005 (UTC)