Talk:Gay village
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The reputation of an area as a "gay destination" has sometimes been controversial (I seem to recall this being the case with Lesbos, for example). I think NPOV would suggest a note on this, but danged if I can think of a polite way to say it.
- nicely done merge Exploding Boy 15:10, Jan 26, 2004 (UTC)
wonder if it would be better to list the resorts under gay villages, perhaps with a note of explanation? Also, I'm not sure about Lesbos, can anyone confirm? Exploding Boy 08:48, Jan 27, 2004 (UTC)
- No, the resorts are different from gay villages in that gays and lesbians don't necessarily live there all year. For example, Provincetown only gets swarmed by gay and lesbian tourist during the summer months and is a fairly ordinary (ie. not particularly gay) seaside town the rest of the year.
- Lesbos is a popular summer holiday destination among lesbians, despite the Lesvonians not liking their island's association with lesbianism very much (they don't seem to mind profiting from the tourism though).
- I think the phrase "are known as primarily gay areas" should be changed as at least some of them (as pointed out above) are only gay areas during the tourist season.
- -- Kimiko 19:45, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
In that case maybe the resorts belong somewhere else. By the way, I believe the correct term for people from Lesbos is, in fact, Lesbians. Exploding Boy 21:40, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
- I'm not sure they merit a separate article right away, but go ahead if you like.
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Long Beach
It's a quiet community, but it's definitely there--there's a few gay bars, and plenty of gay residents in the Craftsman homes by the ocean. jengod 21:45, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)
- I'll take your word for it. Any city of its size has a gay community to speak of. Whether or not it's a gay village as described by the article, I don't know. If you believe it is, I believe you. Moncrief 21:46, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)
- Yes it is, and having lived there for about 18 months, I think that I can say so with some authority. The community centers around the Belmont Shores district, and tends (at least in my humble opinion) to skew more lesbian than gay. Hope it helps - That damned polymath Two Halves unlogged in yet again
Thanks two halves--my mom mentioned it to me, so I couldn't have testified on my own, but I was pretty sure. Danke to you both! jengod 21:57, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)
- The article on Long Beach says it's a place with 461,522 inhabitants. That's not a village nor an enclave, and unless at least a plurality of those people are gay, it's not gay either. --Joy [shallot] 22:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I'm not personally farmiliar with the city, but I assume (if info above is correct) that it would added to the list as:
- Long Beach, California: Belmont Shores
It does not imply that the whole of Long Beach is gay any more than the comparable listing Atlanta, Georgia: Midtown implies that a plurality of Atlanta is gay. These neighborhoods in each given city represent the area with the highest concentration of (or reputation) gay people. Autiger 00:22, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Even though West Hollywood, California has a plurality of gay council members the last time I checked, it probably doesn't have more gay businesses than general businesses and certainly doesn't have more gay residents than non-gay residents. As for Long Beach--it has a fairly large number of gay-owned business, with most of them located on Broadway, plus 2nd and 4th Steets between Downtown and Belmont Shores. There are only a few gay businesses in the Belmont Shores neighborhood itself, although what is probably the biggest gay bar in Long Beach (Ripples) is "hidden" along Ocean Blvd. (the main business district in the area is the v-e-r-y busy 2nd Street).
Long Beach doesn't have as obvious a gay district as West Hollywood or other "Gay Villages" however. Most of the bars (usually along Broadway) are fairly discreet and don't stand out from the rest of the fairly quiet neighborhood. There also many of the restaurants, antique stores, thrift shops, vintage clothing boutiques, art galleries, and other stores that cater to the general public in the area that are gay-owned (Cher's daughter Chastity owns a restaurant in the area). I've never seen statistics, but my guess is that Long Beach has a much higher percentage of lesbians, and of gay couples, than most gay villages.
To give you an idea of the size of the gay community, Long Beach has the fourth largest Gay Pride Parade in the United States, with only West Hollywood, San Francisco and New York's parades being largest. The only larger event in Long Beach is the annual Long Beach Grand Prix. All of this is a very long-winded way of saying that yes, Long Beach definately belongs on this list. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 09:35, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Gaybourhood
Since it was removed from the list of synonyms, what is the difference between a "gay village" and a "gaybourhood"? -- Beland 06:31, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Information from The Gay & Lesbian Atlas
I just found out about The Gay & Lesbian Atlas, by Gary J. Gates and Jason Ost, Urban Institute Press (http://www.urban.org/pubs/gayatlas/), which looks like it has some very good information that could be used for this article. The Urban Institute website has a couple of pages condensing the infomation in the book: Facts and Findings from The Gay and Lesbian Atlas (http://www.urban.org/Template.cfm?Section=ByAuthor&NavMenuID=63&template=/TaggedContent/ViewPublication.cfm&PublicationID=8806) and In Cities, Suburbs and the Sticks: Gary Gates Uncovers the U.S. Communities that Same-Sex Couples Call Home (http://www.urban.org/Template.cfm?Section=ByAuthor&NavMenuID=63&template=/TaggedContent/ViewPublication.cfm&PublicationID=8972). I'd like to add some of this info to the Gay Village article, but I don't really know enough about any of the places mentioned except for California. I think that for some of the cities mentioned that have concentrations of same-sex couple households they are cities that don't have a well-defined gay village, so that a new list, or perhaps even a new article, might need to be started. I would like others to look at this info and offer their opinions. BlankVerse ∅ 13:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Gay Tijuana and Hillcrest, California
Two things I thought I should mention here:
- Gay Tijuana is currently on VfD: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Gay Tijuana, and
- The article on Hillcrest, California, the gay village for San Diego, needs cleanup. Samaritan 00:10, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
San Francisco, California
Can someone explain why South of Market is considered gay? It's no more gay than any other part of the City.
- Ever heard of the Folsom Street Fair? Darkcore 23:06, 3 May 2005 (UTC)