Talk:Gabriel Fahrenheit
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Article reads:
- It is still used by the general population for everyday temperature measurement in the United States and a few other English-speaking countries.
Which other English countries? I thought in UK, Canada, Ireland weather reports and medical body temperature measurements were metricated; they certaintly are in Australia and NZ, which is close to the whole English-speaking world, bar the US. -- SJK
Danzig == City State
church records (legal records of citizens born in Danzig): http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=352724&subject_disp=Germany%2C+Preu%C3%9Fen%2C+Westpreu%C3%9Fen%2C+Danzig+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0
Gdansk
The City is called Gdansk and was a Part of Poland not (Now Gdansk,Poland)
http://chem.oswego.edu/chem209/Misc/fahrenheit.htm
Another source that it was a Part of Poland. Now Poland shouldnt be included in this article my change however did mentuon the german name of danzig. Kommiec 05:12, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
When signing for Royal Society Fahrenheit wrote: Fahrenheit, Polonus. AM
I removed the following from the article:
- "He signed his name in latin as "Fahrenheit-Polonus", that gives us some hint about XVIII century citizenship concepts"
I will add a that back (minus the subjective interpretation of citizenship which would be an interpretation/opinion and not fact) when a reliable source for this information is given. Maximus Rex 20:00, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Why remove? Wasn't he a citizen of Kings city of Danzig, that belonged to Poland??? To sign into Royal Society he was supposed to add some personal informations, including citizenship. In this situation, please keep this information, until I failed to provide sources, OK? AM
I don't understand what you are trying to saying. I have asked you to provide a reliable source for contentious information that you've added, without a reliable source it should not be included. Maximus Rex 20:10, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I am saying, that rather you should provide information about alleged "German" allegiation of Fahrenheit. He was a Pole, as other 12 000 000 of that time, was. Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and Jews. Speaking Polish, German, Lithuanian, Belorussian. Your beloved Reich was created in 1871 and starting from that time most of German speaking people gradually invented German national awerness. If you find a proof that he shed his Polish state citizenship, you are free to say Deutcher Fahrenheit. AM
I don't understand why you are attacking me, ethnically Fahrenheit is without doubt German as most biographies indicate (however I will not push the issue). I have provided a source for the Fahrenheit family history. You have not provided a source for you contentious "Fahrenheit Polonus" claim. I have seen photographs of Fahrenheit's signature and it is not as you described. Maximus Rex 20:22, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Do I oppose the fact that he was ethnic German?? I am asking why you refuse to accept the fact, that he was a Polish citizen. AM
Original text of the above post given in this diff:[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Gabriel_Fahrenheit&diff=1925303&oldid=1925267).
It's fine that you have your own interpretation of history, that doesn't change that you've provided no reliable source for the "Fahrenheit Polonus" claim. Maximus Rex 20:35, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Let's start from the beginning. Fahrenheit was born as a Polish citizen, then moved to Netherlands. Eventually, he went to London. His state allegiation was Polish-Dutch. Do you oppose?
AM
Yes, I do object. Absolutely none of the references I've consulted indicate Polish citizenship. You could call him German or German-Dutch, indicating his German ethnicity or also noting that he lived most of his life in the Netherlands. I would accept not mentioning anything about his nationality as a compromise.
check out these references:
- Encyclopedia Britannica: "German physicist" (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=34155)
- encyclopedia.com "German-Dutch physicist" (http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/F/Fahrenhe.asp)
- Encarta: "German physicist" (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557602/Gabriel_Daniel_Fahrenheit.html)
- Maximus Rex 21:59, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The resources that you are pointing out base on chauvinistically screwed materials from the times of German Reich. What I wanted you to find out, are original resources from the times of Fahrehneit. After 1871, Germans started to claim everything in history as allegedly German. In reality, Fahrenheit was Polish citizen, was also connected to Lower German sphere of culture, that included Baltics, Netherlands and Hanseatic towns in Germany. The meaning of Germanhood, that your resources claim, were not in place in 1724. In this time even King of Poland was, as you claim, ethnic German, but his greatest enemies were other Germans, while Poles were allied to Saxons. Stop your nationalistically biased edit wars!
The only one having a "nationalistically biased edit war" is you, since I have offered to not state any nationality. The Encyclopedia Britannica is generally considered the most respected encyclopedia in the english language and not "chauvinistically screwed material", as you describe it. Maximus Rex 22:16, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
In 1724 Poland existed and Germany practically not. In 1901 was other way around. Fahrenheit clearly stated his citizenship. Please provide source materials, to prove you are right! User:WolfgangPeters
What source do you need? Just look at any recently published historical map of the period and see in what country he was born. There is also an excellent book by Karin Friedrich called "The Other Prussia", which talks about the polish province Royal Prussia in XVI, XVII and XVIII centuries. It looks in detail at the issue of identity of the german speaking citizens of Poland. You will find a lot of interesting and unbelievable facts in there. And please, don't accuse others of interpreting history, if you can only contradict them with some old stereotypes and arguments using the "everybody knows..." line.
I'm not changing anything. I don't want an edit war but mutual understanding reached through calm discussion.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Space Cadet 20:52, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
If we are going to use people's ethnicity rather than their time and place of birth to define their "citizenship" (for want of a better word), there won't be many Australian or American physicists, actors, politicians, etc. Not a good idea. It seems to me that time and place of birth should be used to define initial citizenship with a note for people who changed their citizenship in later life through emigration, declaration or whatever. And that view makes Fahrenheit Polish by birth, where-ever his great-grandfathers came from and whatever states he may later have settled in. -- Derek Ross
You're exaggerating the case a bit there. According to the article, Farenheit's family had been living in Gdansk for 36 years when he was born. Compare with that the 200 years that anglo-saxon Australian or American familes can claim in their country, plus the fact that they have a passport and a government who claim them as actually American (or Australian). And while the US will give you a passport just for being born there, in most countries being born in a stable doesn't entitle you to call yourself a horse.
Not that I think Farenheit definitely can't be said to be Polish - I know nothing about Gdansk, so I have no idea whether the authorities there would have considered his family Polish or resident foreigners. But I think the judgement should be made based on sources of the time, not on modern patriotism or in order not to set a precedent whereby some non-Australian muppet might try to steal Howard Florey or Paul Hogan - they can be dealt with if and when they turn up. Onebyone 02:19, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Daniel Gabriel Fahrinhiet
Daniel Gabriel Fahrenhiet was born May.24,1686 and dieded in September on the 16thin 1736.