Talk:Elena Filatova
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This page was listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion in May, 2004. The result of that discussion was to keep the article. For an archive of the discussion, see /Delete.
Criticism, POV, fake
I'm removing the recently added paragraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Elena_Filatova&diff=0&oldid=3604316) about her story being (sic)"questioned in many of the motorcycle forums mentioned".
In the only one 'motorcycle forum' mentioned (in 'external links') there is really a small flame war being carried on by an lone gunwoman. This woman (as herself confirmed in a post) is in an web-wide crusade to undermine Lena's story credibillity.
Well... as the woman doesn't indentify hersef and as she acts extremally monomaniacly, I would classify that as an moderately crafted troll.
Elena's page has a link to the thread in the forum with the discussion. That's one more reason to make that paragraph irrelavant.
--Abu Badali 04:52, May 18, 2004 (UTC)
- Slashdot has now also become involved (http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/20/236211.shtml?tid=103&tid=167&tid=98&tid=99). Mentioning that her story is being questioned is in itself perfectly objective and neutral. -- Dissident (Talk) 00:57, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
- I think this page should probably be deleted. She has basically now said on the website that it was faked. I don't see any reason for Wikipedia to have an article on her. We don't know for sure she even exists. ᚣᚷᚷᛞᚱᚫᛋᛁᛚ
- Allegations are back in. This isn't the place to decide about the credibility of the participants. Let's stick to the facts. Also, this article should stay, whether the original story is true or not. A lot of people read the original thing, and it's bound to become urban folklore (or legend). Averell 16:15, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Smear
While there are numerous accounts of the consequences of the catastrophe, Elena presented it to the world in a way never done before.
- I am perfectly aware that I am a bit overboard here. Please feel free to replace this phrase by references to earlier similar web accounts. Mikkalai 15:51, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- And by the way, I believe the efforts to put smear on her story are fueled exactly by this: no one from the mentioned "organized tour"s had got the idea to do something similar before, and now they are biting their own asses. Mikkalai 15:53, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
discrepancies
The story itself shows discrepancies, such as some pictures show herself, while she claims she has been travelling alone.
- I don't really understand this example of discrepancy. Isn't it possible to take a picture of yourself with a timer in the camera? Such a feature is quite common.
- Did you have a look at what was spoken about before hitting this delete key? The weblink it here, quite handy. Do you really want to set a timer only to show your backside? Mikkalai 22:04, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I say it isn't a discrepancy. She writes: "I always go for rides alone, sometimes with pillion passenger, but never in company with any other vehicle, because I do not want anyone to raise dust in front of me." Pillion = The backseat on a motorcycle for its passenger.
- Early versions said simpy "alone". Even the recent, corrected version that says "we" in many places, rather than "I" doesn't give a name of the fellow traveller. Me being spoiled and lacking some moral principles, I understand this as unwilling to share glory. But still, this is a petty criticism, irrelevant to the story itself. It was me who added the paragraph "Nevertheless the actual value...".
- And now I have rewriten the "criticism" part into a meore correct way, since the mentioned criticism no longer applies to the current version ofm the narrative. Thank you for pointing at the discrepancy arisen in the article. Mikkalai 22:47, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)