Talk:Dream
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We need some information about the relationship between dreaming and daydreaming. The latter isn't a kind of former, as the article used to imply. --Larry Sanger
I am very surprised that so little is written about this topic! Dreaming and dream states are broad and actively researched fields, and also one of my favorite topics of interest. I guess there aren't many psychologists and neuro-scientists frequenting Wikipedia.. -- Rotem Dan 12:33 12 Jun 2003
Really, why is this article so short? There are some FAQs on the net, maybe their authors wouldn't mind if that material were used for Wikipedia? Perhaps this page is also not linked to enough to draw attention to the fact that it is so lacking. Is there a way to request a page to be developed?
What about dreaming in relation to the brain? Doesn't it affect the brain by sorting the thoughts (data)? I don't know for sure, thus I'd like to know. --Thilo Ettelt
- I'm afraid there isn't any scientific consensus. Some researchers believe dreams are random firings of neurons, signifying nothing. Others believe it is a distorted form of memory, or the actions of usually unconscious mental processes, etc. Nobody knows for sure. Quadell (talk) 15:49, Jun 14, 2004 (UTC)
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Mammals dreaming
The article states as fact that non-human animals dream. Animals certianly go through REM sleep, and many animals have been known to "whimper" or "twitch" during REM sleep, but I don't think animals actually "dream" (i.e. see themselves in a situation that they interpret as reality.) I would like to see a source that animals dream. If there isn't a source, it should be changed to something like "some researchers believe. . ." Quadell (talk) 14:58, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)
That animals dream could never be proven as a fact.I believe animals definately dream, some species more than others.In dogs i have seen the most visible dreaming taking place. I have seen my own dogs bark, run, whimper and wagg their tail in their sleep. They are definately in a real life situation, which takes place in their life daily or they enjoy doing, for example chasing a cat. This could never scientifically be proven as a fact, because animals are unable to communicate like people. Humans can be questioned about their dreams, animals can't. The subject of deams is a very unknown area of science, nobody even really knows the reasons or understands why people dream what they do, never mind understanding animal dreams. Rebecca Miller, Edinburgh, 11/05/05
Why is this page called dreaming instead of dream?
The latter title is simpler, and if you click on "what links here", you find that a lot more pages link directly to dream than to dreaming. Also, one can link to dream from other articles by typing [[dream]]ing, whereas it's more complicated to type [[dreaming | dream]]. I propose moving this page. Michael Hardy 14:37, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page: "The Dreaming or Dreamtime is an Australian Aboriginal creation myth." I'm sure the Australian Aboriginals would not like their spiritual belief written off as a myth anymore than a Christian or Muslim would.
- I don't mind personally, but then, I'm not an aboriginal. Changed to creation belief. --JRM 14:21, 2004 Sep 29 (UTC)
expand this huge topic!
now! :> Lockeownzj00 10:37, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Reality of Dreams
Fails to mention minoritarian beliefs that dreams are real but waking life is not and delicate gradation of beliefs between this view and the usual. But how should this be approached? --Daniel C. Boyer 15:02, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Maybe in the Psychology of Dreams section? At the bottom. <sarcasm>(In small type, preferably.)</sarcasm> – Quadell (talk) (help)[[]] 18:12, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
Dazed and confused
The intro is good (if far too long for an intro) but the rest of this article is still spotty and highly dubious in places. "Minority views" just has "An extreme minority of individuals and cultures believe dreams to be real and waking life not to be, and there is some gradation of views between this and the common position." This statement is nearly vacuous, especially the last part, and does not back itself up in any way. And what's "Dreams and maya" all about?
I'm just going to slap a factual accuracy tag on it until we've fixed all this, sorry. The factual content is good, if still far too thin, but some of the more spacey elements need to go or be reworded. JRM 15:11, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)
I Robert.halberg feel the same about this article's structure.
I've removed the sections I considered to be either incomprehensible or useless; the information is, of course, still available in the edit history.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dream&oldid=9021187) If someone can salvage something from it, be my guest. JRM 22:28, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
My thoughts/history on dreaming
Lucid Dreaming
I've for some time been a Lucid dreamer. I'm glad I understand the term better now, because I thought it had a lot more to do with the dream being so far from surreal, that it was hard to shake off.
I must say, if you've never experienced this, you'll want to, and often. And since pain is only imaginary, nothing you can conjure up will hurt you. You'll only think it does. At that point, know your in control, and don't second guess that it'll be any different. Change the landscape, and make it something you want to dream, instead of what ever just happens.
As for what I call "arise on demand", I can wake up from a lucid dream by yawning. It's worked all but maybe once or twice.
Multi-level dreaming
And as for something else I don't understand, multi level dreaming (a dream within a dream). On a few occasions I've needed to be up for school, or simply slept through my alarm clock, but my dreams are affected by my real enviornment. One of the funniest ones was when I woke up (but was still dreaming), and mom was calling me to get ready for school, because I was late. (this was years ago) - none the less I started getting ready - then to my confusion, I was being called again, but didn't realise what was going on until moments later. Then I woke up for real.
Another time I had slept for 30 minutes past my alarm, but all throughout my dream I was searching for what I had to guess was a bomb. I don't recall how I finally woke up from that obnoxious state, but I was quite annoyed for the next few hours.
I'm sure there's more, but I think more discusson on this topic will help brainstorm decide what can be improved for the article.
Dreaming and Phantom limbs
theory--every experience like every body part is mapped into the brain. consciousness is directly related to some sort of activation of the map. When a person loses a limb, the mapping is not lost. After a certain age plasticity of the brain lessens and does not update the mappings...required for memory retension in some cases. when stray activations of the map occur where no limb exists any longer, a phantom is felt even though other sensory systems cannot confirm its existance the activation is hard to deny. when the entire sensory array is turned effectively off in cases such as sleep and sensory deprivation experiments...activations of the world map and body map cause a phantom world or dream to occur. There seems to be a system in the brain which takes the sum of the activations at any given moment and weaves a world view into existance...the perceived world. this same mechanism, when fed activations of the map during sleep cycle uses it to manufacture the dream world too. It has been experimentally verified that the brain fills in missing data such as the blind spot found in the upper extremeties of the eye field of vision. the missing data is extrapilated from the surrounding data. during dream cycle, very energetic activations of the map leave a lot of blank spots which are similarily filled in and form the basis for the dream senario. waking activations are causes primarily by sensory data... sleeping activations are often caused by emotional hot spots in the mapping mixed with muted sensory data and because of this they also move in a cascading of associations rather than strictly by cause and effect. The odd qualities of dreams seem perfectly normal while you are dreaming because the cascading is by natural associated ideas. - jiohdi@gmail.com www.geocities.com/jiohdi