Talk:Djakovica

Do you want to say anything about the high level of destruction it suffered in 1999? As I recall the old town was almost completely destroyed.2toise 18:24, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I don't know much about it. Nikola 06:14, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I've added some material largely culled from OSCE, HRW and ICTY sources on events in Djakovica.

<<St. Joanikije Google says is in Devic, Drenica - that is quite far away by Balkan standards. Try it. Gjakova was founded by Jak Vula in the 15 century. Acually the city for most of its history was called Jakova. The mosque library that held important documents regarding these events was burned by the Serbs in the first night of NATO attacks along with the Old Town. Taking all this in consideration and the the overwhelming Albanian composition of the population, shouldn't you call the city Gjakova instead of the Serb way. Just wondering :(

Contents

1 Revert conflict 2 Population figures 3 Djakovica who? 4 Djakovica in the Kosovo War

Revert conflict

Once again, Nikola, don't simply delete large pieces of content without bothering to discuss them. This time you haven't even bothered to include a summary explanation. -- ChrisO 01:31, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
[added] If you have specific concerns, please discuss them here.

Archived from Requests for page protection:

• Djakovica - User:Nikola Smolenski is repeatedly deleting large chunks of material (approximately 75% of the article) without discussion or explanation, apparently for partisan reasons. Please rollback and protect until he decides to start using talk pages. -- ChrisO 01:36, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • I haven't even read what you have written. You could have posted it yesterday, you could have posted it tomorrow, but no, you HAD to do it today! And bad wiquette is better then no wiquette at all.

On a sidenote, I do hope that articles whose protection was requested several DAYS ago will be protected before this one. Nikola 01:41, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

• • • This apparently is a reference to yesterday's violence in Kosovo, which (as far as I know) had nothing to do with Djakovica and certainly had nothing to do with the article in question. It's pure nationalist paranoia to suggest a link. And I think your comment that "I haven't even read what you have written" before deleting it all underlines the fact that this is a deeply abusive piece of editing by you. -- ChrisO 01:48, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • No. It is deeply abusive piece of editing by you. I don't believe you that it is a coincidence, and even if it is, you could have waited. Why such a rush? Nikola 01:51, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • I've simply been reviewing articles on the towns in Kosovo, and noticed the comments in Talk:Djakovica about the events in Djakovica during the recent war. You had said (on 5 October 2003) that you didn't know much about it. I did have some memory of it, did some research and updated the article accordingly. Then I found out about the events of yesterday. So, no link.
          • Given your history, my most probable assumption is that you lie. Nikola
        • And even if there had been, why would this have been a problem? Should all editing on articles related to Kosovo cease if there's a day's unrest in the province? -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • Firstly, yes, such abusive editing should cease.
            Secondly, there is no there is no "day's unrest" but three days' genocide. Nikola 07:18, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Protected. Kingturtle 01:54, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • Thanks. -- ChrisO 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Population figures

Note for future reference - Statistical Office for Kosovo (apparently a government organisation) has a useful population estimates chart at http://www.sok-kosovo.org/pdf/population/Kosovo_and_its_population.pdf . Figures differ considerably from those given by The World Gazetteer. It seems prudent to use a credible official source rather than TWG; current figures are all estimates anyway given the lack of a census. -- ChrisO 02:14, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

ChrisO, the Statistical Offica of Kosovo has been set up by UNMIK and is governed jointly by internationals (UN staff) and local Kosovar staff. SOK has the most up-to-date data on Kosovo, and are always checked by international institutions to ensure correctness before reports are released. Also, you may find some useful information on the official website of Municipality of Gjakova. --Kosovar 17:59, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Djakovica who?

What is the procedure for changing the article's title itself? The city's name does and never had any link to the Serb language and it's definitely NPOV. You can clearly see that the name, an Albanian one, was taken and suffix "ica" added to it in order for the city name to sound more Serb-like.

Can anyone help out there?

--arianit 01:31, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Of course, this is especially visible in names of Vucitrn (Vushtrri), Istok (Istog), Pec (Peja), Kamenica (Kamenice) or Suva Reka (Suhareke). Nikola 04:50, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What is visible, Nikola? That every city in Kosova has Serb origin because Kamenica and Suva Reka do? I think I explained what makes "Djakovica" different from other Serb toponyms: it's clearly a fabrication in later times from from the Albanian-Turkish name. I researched some more (http://gjakovainfo.com/historia/index1.htm if you know Albanian) and found out that Yal-ova (the version in Turkish) means the field of Jak. Still today Vula family is probably the biggest one in the city and any old person will tell you that it is the oldest. That Serbs came to Gjakova only in the 20th century shows the fact that there didn't exist any Orthodox church in or around Gjakova until the 20th century. --204.62.200.88 22:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Whoever created this website has no clue about what he is talking about. So you better close this webpage and dont write anymore false information, or if you dont then WE can do it, ok? Or another thing you can do is edit all the information that you put and write true information and all other statistics. ok. again by Fisnik Kurshumlija

As you're evidently a new user, might I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Wikiquette?

Also, don't vandalise articles or you will find yourself being banned. -- ChrisO 08:04, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How did this latest outbreak of vandalism go unnoticed for 2 days? I think we need to keep a closer eye on this article... :-( -- ChrisO 19:27, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Djakovica in the Kosovo War

POV comment moved here for review.

"Most of the Albanian population returned following the end of the war, and most of the non-Albanian population fled or was forced to leave. Acts of revenge against Serbs and other non-Albanians occurred after the war's end, the most notable case being the destruction of the historic Monastery of St. Joanikije.the Monastery It was only built after the Serbs came there and also in Gjakove we all new it as the Serbian street not more so 4% sounds a lot if you talk before the refugees from Croatia and Bosnia came to Kosovo as to keep them happy for Serbs loosing all their wars. Also if serbs did not come from ukranian mountens we would not have these problems."

Details of the monastery's establishment and destruction may be appropriate for inclusion, and may provide a context for the latter comments, but the rest of the argument fails to develop any NPOV analysis Nigosh 21:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)