Talk:Disgaea

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I'm going to make some changes to this article in response to the edits made by 24.119.167.106, and I feel that they should be justified here. I like some of the changes made, and think that having game features as a separate list is quite appropriate.

First of all, some of the text has been spun off into a seperate Laharl article. I do not think it is likely that someone would search for Laharl outside of the context of Disgaea to the extend that he requires a seperate article, so I'm going to merge this information back into Disgaea. As I'm currently trying to get nearly 50 character and item pages for a Zelda game either deleted or merged, I think it would hypocritical of me to ignore a similar spawn-off from this article.

The new Laharl article states that he was asleep for three years, but I'm fairly certain one of the vassels in Laharl's castle states that he was asleep for two at the beginning of the game.

Secondly, I'm moving the Prinnies and information on Hell (the currency), and putting it in a new humor section, and re-adding the information on the Next Episode shorts between the games. I'm also re-adding the information on the Dark Senate, as it really is a unique part of the game which I have seen mentioned in reviews.

-RedWordSmith 03:02, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Contents

1 Non-fiction? 2 It's a DVD. 2.1 Or is it? 3 Big changes...

Non-fiction?

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Hey Lowellian,

I just noticed that you removed the fiction link from the Disgaea article. My interpretation of Check your fiction is that articles about fiction should always state that they're talking about fiction right away. I think that we need a link to fiction in the opening sentence in order to be in line with policy, since it's possible a nonfiction video game could exist. What's your take on this?

- RedWordSmith 21:11, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

For a book, it makes sense to put the descriptor "fictional" at the beginning of the article, since there are so many non-fictional books. But Disgaea is a video game. First, the vast majority of video and computer game articles on Wikipedia do not feature an adjective "fictional". Second, I think it's self-evident that Disgaea, as a video game, is fictional.

Furthermore, the designations of "fictional"/"non-fictional" don't even apply well to video/computer games. What is a "non-fictional" video/computer game? A simulator? Is a simulator "non-fictional", or does it merely simulate reality? Even video/computer games based on historical scenarios aren't really "non-fictional"—nor are they really "fictional"; the terms simply aren't entirely appropriate.

—Lowellian (talk)[[]] 23:00, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

You may have a point, but I still think it's important to establish context; maybe video games in the future will tend to be more realistic, even if not "nonfiction." The lead section should make it absolutely clear that Disgaea doesn't even aim for realism. Maybe something along the lines of "Disgaea: Hour of Darkness is a fantasy video game for the PlayStation 2..."? That also seems to convey a bit more information about what the game is like, so it also eliminates the problem of sounding obvious. - RedWordSmith 23:15, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

In the case of Disgaea, "fantasy" is acceptable to me. —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 23:19, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

It's a DVD.

Someone changed the media from "DVD" to "CD-ROM"; this isn't right. Disgaea is on a DVD. The disk even has the DVD logo on it; There's a picture at [1] (http://nic.dreamhost.com/lordblake/half%20disgaea%20disk.jpg).

Just to be absolutely sure that those wacky ATLUS marketing people weren't pulling a fast one on all of us, I put the disk in the CD and DVD drives on my computer. The CD drive refused to read it. The DVD drive read it and reported that it has 750 MB of data on it, well beyond the 700 of a CD-R and the standard 650 of a pressed CD-ROM. - RedWordSmith 19:43, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)

Or is it?

I know that in the European release of Disgaea at least (which only has the English voiceovers), Disgaea is on a blue-backed CD-ROM. (With the CD label, once again, even having the 'Compact Disc' logo instead of 'DVD'. I'm not sure which format the Japanese version was released on, but considering that it only had the Japanese voiceovers, I wouldn't be too suprised if that was released on CD-ROM too. It seems that the American release which has both voiceovers included is the only version to be released on a DVD.

Though I'm certain about the European version, I've no idea about the Japanese one... can anyone else clarify? --CherryMay 07:12, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Whoops, my mistake. That's something I hadn't considered, and also information that's not very clear from the current article. I've tried to update the infobox accordingly. Apparently the European publisher is Koei, and GameFaqs seems to confirm this. - RedWordSmith 17:18, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

Big changes...

Eh, I decided that it'd be best to move the info to a separate page, so there's less room taken up. Tell me what you think.

[above is 03:25, Dec 11, 2004 A Link to the Past]

Looking at the new Flonne and Laharl article, I have to agree that the time has probably come to spin the article off a bit; if every entry were that detailed, the page would probably would actually be very large. I'd like to keep things as concentrated as possible, so that people can compare stats and information without having to load up dozens of pages. Why don't we move Laharl to Disgaea characters, merge Flonne into that, create redirects for the other character names, and then we can put a summary in this article? - RedWordSmith 03:43, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

Maybe. Though, a lot of people DO use tabs. I think it's convenient in different ways - your way would be convenient for the way you suggested, my way would be convenient if you're looking for information for just them. I also have a Secrets FAQ - Would something like that be applicable to Wiki?

I don't think it'll be any less convenient if someone is looking for information on a specific character - they'll be able to go to the character page and click on the name of the character they want stats on right away. Using Mozilla myself, I'm not really sure a large number of tabs is all that much better than a large number of windows, although that could just be my opinion. It's also worth remembering that the Disgaea article is just one of many in Wikipedia, which isn't a gaming guide -- we should try to make things useful for people who may not be familar for the game at all by showing the relationships between characters and the different things they can do.

I don't think a secrets FAQ would make a good stand-alone article. It'd probably be a bit much for a general encyclopedia, but I have thought that a section in this article on secrets would be a good thing to have. There might be someplace else for a full FAQ; let me dig around a bit. - RedWordSmith 05:34, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I 'spose. I've made a page to test it out. Make some changes to make it come out better, if you want. - A Link to the Past