Talk:Christian Identity
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the two seedline branch of christian identity teaches that jews are the descendants of satan. the VERY ironic thing about this is that there is very extensive association between satanism and neo-nazism. ok, i'm finally getting around to adding my signature. Gringo300 01:57, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The following is a quote from the article's link to the FBI's Project Megiddo:
- There are a number of white supremacy groups that do not necessarily adhere to Christian Identity or other religious doctrines. White supremacy groups such as the National Alliance, the American Nazi Party and the National Socialist White People’s Party are largely politically, rather than religiously, motivated.
As a result, I'm reworking the article's apparent reference to the American Nazi Party as an example of a Christian Identity. SCCarlson 04:30 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)
Why does this article use the word "fundamentalist" to describe these groups? In what sense are they fundamendalist? Mkmcconn
- Don't know. It appears to be in the initial revision of the article. SCCarlson
- I addede that, because in the articles I read which discussed the topic, none of these groups accepted the validity of any form of modern tetxual study, lower biblical criticism, or higher biblical criticism in understanding the text. None of these groups, so far as I have read, attempt to use history to read the books of the Bible within their original historical context. However, I concede that this is only true for the specific groups and individuals I read about, and is not necessarilly true for all such groups. We can remove this term from the article. RK
This is certainly an extensive quote. Would it not make sense to link to the original article instead of excerpting so much from it? -- Zoe
- This shouldn't be used as a quote! It was meant to be the article itself! Many of our articles here on Wikipedia come directly from U.S. Government webpages, which offer much public domain information (and images!). I think we alreadyhave several hundred Wikipedia articles that started out as such quotes, and then grew from there. RK
I believe that white supremacy is racist. As a result, it's not necessary to say explicitly that they are racist in the intro: one can simply say that they are white supremacists. This yields a concise intro that both white supremacists and normal people can accept as accurate. Martin 19:44, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"white supremacy is racist" yes, but racist isn't necessarily white supremacist. someone hating someone else doesn't necessarily mean the person sees the other person as INFERIOR. a person can hate someone and believe they are equal to or even superior to themselves.
plus, just because a person believes that one or more races are inferior to their own, that doesn't automatically mean they view ALL other races as inferior to their own. Gringo300 09:17, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Should "interracial couples" be linked in some fashion? --Daniel C. Boyer 18:44, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, such a hyperlink could be appropriate. (It was hard to resist making some sort of pun...) RK 19:59, Oct 20, 2003 (UTC)
I have restorted the list and discussion of the many kinds of Christian Identity groups. They are, I would think by definition, on topic for this article. I also totally agree with Arline that some of this material also is useful in other Wikipedia articles. So we can copy and paste, word processor style, without deleting the text from this article. RK 23:17, Oct 22, 2003 (UTC)
Most of the text on particular groups should be refactored to separate articles - e.g. the section on Aryan Nations is much the same as that separate article already.
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This article is historical and religiously distorted
This article must be rewritten. There was absolutely no connection between the Worldwide Church of God and the Christian Identity movement. The link in the article is both offensive and totally untrue. Whatever one may think about Herbert W. Armstrong one thing must be stated as fact: he saw himself as a friend of the Jews and a friend of the State of Israel. Students from his Ambassador College system participated in the various digs in conjunction with Hebrew University. Armstrong himself was very much at home in the company of Israeli leaders and Armstrong's right hand man since the 1950s was himself a Jew who claimed to convert to the beliefs of Herbert W. Armstrong. On the other hand the Christian Identity movement shuns both the Jews and Israel and embraces Germanic ideas. Armstrong on the other hand devoted his entire prophetic ministry to warning that a new German led Europe would destroy both the USA and UK. 64.63.216.225 04:41, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Needs more scholarly data and less FBI
Many scholars who have studied Christian Identity have a very low opinion of the FBI report on which much of this article is based, especially Kaplan. I have tried to correct some obvious factual errors, and remove some sweeping statements. Armstrong, incidently, promoted British Israelism for many years, so the statement above is not entirely accurate. Armstrong did not promote the neonazi version of Christian Identity however. Let's put more or Barkan and Kaplan into theis piece.--Cberlet 00:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
armed citizen(s)(') militias
OK, this is tricky. It depends on the source document. armed citizens militias armed citizen's militias armed citizen militias Any questions? Is there a style for this on Wikipedia?--Cberlet 02:55, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Got Cite?
"Although they have never identified themselves as such, Westboro Baptist Church adheres to most, if not all, of the tenements of the movement. " This really needs an independent cite.--Cberlet 21:49, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)