Talk:Bundesland

Should German names be used in the List of the Bundeslands / in the articles about them? (please discuss this before writing articles using the German AND English names).

If they have English names we should use them - Sachsen and Bayern redirect to Saxony and Bavaria already. Are there English names for some of the others though? --rmhermen

I don't think we should use German name (English name) and then redirect to the English named article. It would be better to say: English name (German name). Of cause only there where English names exist ;-) --Daniel Wiebelt

It seems more natural to me to put the English in parentheses, so that the main name given in each case is German (rather than English in some cases and German in others). If they all had English names then it would be a different matter. --Zundark, 2001 Nov 13

I think we should use the German äöü in the names --Daniel Wiebelt

I've added a couple of umlauts. Are there any more? --Zundark, 2001 Nov 13

they are right now, thanks --Daniel Wiebelt

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Should commercial links be posted (e.g. yahoo) on a GNU Free Documentation License site?

the standard practice around here is to separate any external links, often under a heading external links: at the *bottom of the page*, not to integrate them into the article. --MichaelTinkler

changed --Daniel Wiebelt

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As a Germanophile, I like the English version of the name as the Article title, but don't mind if the German is used in the article. Definitely with umlauts and scharfes S JHK

I'm also Germanophile but I think in an English article the English names should be used because they have less Umlauts which makes reading easier for English speaking readers (which is the majority). --Daniel Wiebelt

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Here is a list of some names of which I think that they should be used in the English articles (from a Dictionary):

German name = English name (whith special names of the inhabitants)

Baden-Württemberg = Baden-Württemberg (with ü)

Bayern = Bavaria, German from Bavaria = Bavarian

Berlin = Berlin, German from Berlin = Berliner

Brandenburg = Brandenburg

Bremem = Bremen

Hamburg = Hamburg

Thüringen = Thuringia, German from Thuringia = Thuringian

Saarland = Saarland, German from Saarland = Saarlander (that's right in English without ä)

We should also decide where we place the German names, because all Bundeslander articles should have the same structure. --Daniel Wiebelt

I suggest doing it as I did for Thuringia, but I don't think it matters too much. I do think we ought to try to do umlauts as HTML character entity references (e.g., ü). If you do them in Latin-1, as you have above, they will display incorrectly for some people, because the pages are not marked as Latin-1. --Zundark, 2001 Nov 13

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The Use in the preceding version appears inconsistent, namely:

"Should German names be used in the List of the Bundeslands in the articles about them? [...] --Daniel Wiebelt"

 : vs.

"We should also decide where we place the German names, because all Bundeslander articles should have the same structure. --Daniel Wiebelt"

and also different from the notion as defined in article itself:

"A Bundesland (plural Bundesländer) is one of the 16 states [...]"

 : together with

" Together Germany has 13,912 Gemeinden [...] in 16 Bundesländern [...]".

Considering that Wikipedia:Wikipedia has presently observed the notion Nominative case, along with Plural and various other grammatical cases (albeit not all in direct relation to German language), ought the article itself make the notion of grammatical cases and their possible relevance to plural formations explicit ?

Or, as far as Wikipedia:Wikipedia prefers to observe articles written in English language (although use of Ümmerläuterern appears permissable as well -- fortunately! &), ought the article itself be reproducible entirely without the notion grammatical cases ?

Thanks,  : Frank W ~@) R Jan 4, 2003

p.s.

What is the Wikipedia:Policy for introducing a Name as a member into the Wikipedia:Namespace; and, given that instances of such operations have apparently been observed by Wikipedia:Wikipedia, which are the corresponding Wikipedia:Utilities ?