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South Africa
Was "Black" an official category in apartheid South Africa?
The article says It is sometimes used to refer to all non-white people, especially in a political context. This has also been the case in South Africa. I think that this is incorrect. I'm sure that some people of colour are or were known as 'coloureds' in that country.
- Coloureds in the South African context refers to people of mixed race. Coloured communities in South Africa refer to themselves with that label, and Black South Africans also term themselves "Black". Hence such things as Black Economic Empowerment. So it's an official category even now, and not viewed as being offensive.
- Under the classification system used during Apartheid, only members of the Bantu races were classified as black, though officially it may have been "Bantu" in documentation. Those who descended from the Indian subcontinent were referred to as Indian. So Coloured, Black or Bantu, Indian and White were the main areas of classification under Apartheid, though the former three groups were usually classed, as a group, as "non-whites". Nowadays the broad race labels have survived, with the exception of "Bantu". Thus for people to discuss "Blacks", "Whites", "Coloureds" or "Indians" in South Africa is fairly normal and not considered offensive. However, some people prefer to use the term "African" as opposed to "Black". An interesting development in post-Apartheid South Africa, possibly due to things like Black Economic Empowerment, is for Coloured and Indian South Africans to either identify themselves as Black or be identified as Black. Thus affirmative action and BEE are job reservation and empowerment programs for Black African, Indian and Coloured people, despite BEE for instance specifically being called "Black Economic Empowerment". Impi 22:05, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I also think that the article should refer to the term 'people of colour'.
- 'people of colour', as a term, is hardly used in South Africa. Don't forget that the offensiveness of many words varies from country to country. Neither "Black" nor "White", "Coloured" or "Indian" are considered offensive in SA. Impi 16:42, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
As one of many millions who were active in the anti-apartheid movement, I just had to simply say how nice it is to see it referred to in the past tense. Such evil! :-D deeceevoice 06:00, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Intensity
'Black' is not generally the total lack of pigment - or have I mis-parsed that sentence? It it intensity == luminous intensity or intensity == print density?
I meant lack of intensity, but I will rephrase it so its clearer. Thanks. --Alan D
"White gene pool"
"many so-called "white" Americans are of African descent,"
Recent mtDNA, Y-Chromosome, and autosomal DNA analysis suggest that African admixture into the White gene pool has occurred at a negligible (<1%) frequency.
- Well, technically, ALL humankind is of African descent. deeceevoice 06:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Debt
Isn't being "free of debt" very positive in a non-capitalist societies?
What pigments absorb
I removed this 'graph rather than trying to fix it:
- This can be explained as follows: The red pigment, for example, absorbs all light except red light; red light is reflected, and thus our eye sees the pigmented object as red. When many pigments are combined, whatever would have been reflected by one of the pigments is absorbed by the others. Thus no visible light escapes.
An accurate replacement might just be too long to be worth the info it conveyed. I'm sure that it would take me too much effort to be worth my creating it today, and the 'graph is wrong enough to be better gone than in the article.
--Jerzy(t) 18:06, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)
Registration black
What is registration black, or 255 255 255 255?? How is it different from 0 0 0 255, which is black in CMYK?? 66.32.249.176 20:19, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Registration black uses all four CMYK ink colors at full intensity for purposes of processing color seperations. The black color used in most printing is ususally about 50% C 25% M 25% Y 100% K, because 0% C 0% M 0% Y 100% K tends to look "flat". --b. Touch 04:49, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Should I have reverted User:129.59.21.126's edits? I dunno. I feel dumb. Evil saltine 04:16, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Deleted the UK Usage section, in included:
United Kingdom usage
In the United Kingdom, the term "black" refers to the simian-like people from subsaharan africa that probably are the most related to apes. [[PaulinSaudi 04:30, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)]]
- Is this meant to be a joke? Quill 22:16, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- PaulinSaudi, you're a racist idiot. deeceevoice 05:55, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Other "Black" Populations
In ancient times, there were/are black aboriginal groups closely resembling Bantu throughout Asia. Presently, the so-called "Black Thai," or Tai Dam, whose facial characteristics and skin color very closely resemble those of the San of the Kalahari, are found in Thailand, Cambodia, parts of India and China. Tamils, in southern India are black -- blacker than many Africans -- and are commonly referred to as "black." And the rest of India is pretty much "black" by U.S. standards (even though most wouldn't admit it! :-p). And then, of course, there are the peoples of Melanesia, in Greek, the "Black Islands": New Guineans, for example. I've no time to add any of this to the main article, but perhaps someone else will. deeceevoice 06:17, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Humans
This should be at Blacks consistent with Whites. It's very badly placed here, especially as it has expanded and continues to expand. I intend to move it, but it will take some time to fix all the links to this page. Help would be appreciated. Quill 21:42, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Structural Change Proposal
There are actually several items in this page which appear to be more appropriate on a disambiguation page:
- Black hole
- The New Zealand team All Blacks
- The note about soccer referees
- The note about the black flag in auto racing
- The note about the color of the snooker ball.
- The note about the scrying mirror.
(As a clarification: I think the discussion of societal uses of the color black are fine here.)
Therefore, I propose that this article and the disambiguation page should be restructured as follows:
- This page should be moved to Black (color). Links to the existing Black article should be reviewed to determine which ones should be pointed to Black (color), to the disambiguation, or to another article.
- The items noted above should be moved to Black (disambiguation), with the exception that some of the text around black hole should be moved to that article.
- That Black should be changed to a redirect to Black (disambiguation).
Thoughts?
CoyneT 00:53, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It is OK to move some items to Black (disambiguation); however, there is no need whatsoever to rename the article. Black color is the primary and the most often used meaning of the word "black". — Monedula 09:20, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)