Talk:Benito Mussolini
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Quotes
- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Could someone please cite a source for this quote? - japhyfoo@backword.net
I have spent several months trying to find this quote. It appears to be a very bad translation of a section on corporatism supposedly written by Mussolini for the Enciclopedia Italiana (1932), but several English translations do not contain anything like this quote. Chip Berlet <cberlet@igc.org>.
moved off main page left quote on that page User:Smith03
Berlet: I have tracked down the original 1935 English version of Mussolini's pamphlet, Mussolini, Benito. 1935. "The Doctrine of Fascism." (Firenze: Vallecchi Editore), which is listed as a translation of Mussolini's article in the Enciclopedia Italiana (1932). The quote above does not appear. Nor does it appear in a longer booklet which contains "The Doctrine of Fascism" as a chapter:
Mussolini, Benito. 1935. "Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions." (Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers).
I asked a scholar in Europe to find the quote in the Enciclopedia Italiana (1932), and he said he could not find a sentence that translates into the quote above. Until someone who reads Italian, and checks the Enciclopedia Italiana (1932), and finds there is a sentence that can be accureatly translated into the above quote, I think the quote should not be listed. Chip Berlet <cberlet@igc.org>.
I went and copied the original article in the Enciclopedia Italiana, in case anyone wants to pick a page it is supposed to be on. If someone wants to argue this quote exists, please cite the page and paragraph from this or another original document. In the meantime, here are some actual quotes from English tranlations.
- The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State--a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values--interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people. (p. 14)
- Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which diverent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15)
- Yet if anyone cares to read over the now crumbling minutes giving an account of the meetings at which the Italian Fasci di Combattimento were founded, he will find not a doctrine but a series of pointers… (p. 23)
- "It may be objected that this program implies a return to the guilds (corporazioni). No matter!... I therefore hope this assembly will accept the economic claims advanced by national syndicalism." (p. 24)
- Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere. (p. 32)
- The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41).
- Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism," Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.
- The Labour Charter (Promulgated by the Grand Council ofr Fascism on April 21, 1927)—(published in the Gazzetta Ufficiale, April 3, 1927) [sic] (p. 133)
- The Corporate State and its Organization (p. 133)
- The corporate State considers that private enterprise in the sphere of production is the most effective and usefu [sic] [typo-should be: useful] instrument in the interest of the nation.
In view of the fact that private organisation of production is a function of national concern, the organiser of the enterprise is responsible to the State for the direction given to production.
- State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. (pp. 135-136)
- Benito Mussolini, 1935, "Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions," Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.
Hope this is useful. --Cberlet 04:58, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Badoglio's quote
AFAIK the quote:
"La guerra continua a fianco dell'Alleato Germanico" ("War continues at the side of our German allies")
in the article, is correctly reported. Just a minor error: the literal translation is "the german ally" instead of "our german allies".
Imho the edit is not vandalism but just inaccuracy.
HTH. Marius @ 07:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
fish also known as Mussolini
Hi, sometimes back, i started a stub for an endanger fish that i can't remember its name. I do remember it was also known by the name MUSSOLINI and it can live as long as 30yrs. Another fact that i remember is that its fresh cost about 100 US dollars. Google seem to pick nothing but Benito Mussolini. I started the stub without logging in, so searching against my username wouldn't help. Any one know how i can get to that article?
On Benito Juarez
The article describes him as a 'Mexican revolutionary'. This may lead to confusion, since the term 'Mexican revolutionary' is usually applied to those who fought in the Mexican Revolution of the early Twentieth Century, decades after Juarez's death. 'Mexican reformist' might work better, since he was a crucial player in the Mexican War of Reform, as described on the History of Mexico Wikipedia article. Just a suggestion. --toonbat@yahoo.com
Entering WWII
an edit claiming that entering in WWII is widely considered Mussolini's greatest mistake has been considered vandalism. Imho this is an opinion with a strong historical background. Consider also the Franco's regime in Spain: it has survived after the war for a longtime.
Walter
- Oops, I think I didn't fill in the edit summary correctly. I don't consider it vandalism, but I do consider it an unnecessary opinion. On second thought though, perhaps it's actually not that out of place. If you think it makes for a better article, I don't think I should actually object to it being there -- I think I'm closer to neutral now. Sorry for unintentionally calling you a vandal. --Improv 12:34, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
When Italy entered WWII (June 1940) almost everyone in the world believed the war was over: France defeated, Great Britain withdrawn from Dunquerque, US neutral, Japan winning, Soviet Union allied with Germany. Mussolini believed that some thousands casualties (his own words) were necessary to seat at the peace table. He didn't face big opposition as this was a general opinion. We must put ourselves in those times to understand. Spain didn't enter as it was exhausted by its civil war. No question that entering was an error, a tragic miscalculation. History is full of miscalculations, how else to call them? IMHO the paragraph removed by Improv is not POV, is mere historical thruth. Marius @ 19:27, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
PS: italian proverb:
del senno di poi son piene le fosse
free translation:
its easy to be wise after the event
Changed the sentence that Mussolini had no choice but to declare war on the
United States and the Soviet Union. I'm not sure this is historical
justified. Franco managed to avoid this, and I don't see Hitler being able
to do much to Mussolini if he decided to be a friendly neutral.
Yes of course Hitler could do something to Italy hes just taken the majority of europe with comparitively no effort. Mussolini adopted a policy of there being a great war in europe from an early point in his dictatorship. His only objective was to be on the winning side. This is proved by his whole period as dictator in which he was constantly searching for prestige both for himself and Italy. Therefore if he saw that Hitler was more powerful of course hes going to jump on the bandwagon in order to get prestige for himself and Italy. Only later towards the end of WWII did Italy become a satellite of Germany. The decision to declare war was entirely Musolini's.
Author
how can i contact the author ? im doing this for a project in school
- Assuming you want to cite this reference in a paper, you should look under Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Alternatively, if you actually need to contact everyone who ever edited this page, you can look at the history page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Benito_Mussolini&action=history) but I don't know how useful that will be. Cvaneg 03:43, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Birth of Fascism
What is meant by "fears regarding the survival of capitalism"? Can we replace this with "economic fears"?
Sebastian 05:38, 2005 Feb 24 (UTC)
Corporatism quote
The Mussolini quote most cited on the Internet and attributed to Mussolini is not accurate and is probably not from Mussolini. I would like to keep at least a link mentioning this fact on this page. It is one of the things an encyclopedia does -- correct false data. I would prefer a short paragraph, but it has been deleted. --Cberlet 13:54, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Unternehmen Eiche
This page has been created as an orphan - no idea if it is valid or not. Would someone with knowledge like to check it out and either link it in or nominate for deletion. --Doc Glasgow 21:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
"Category:Roman Catholics"
I thought that he was an atheist who detested Christianity. Anglius
That was much earlier in his life. It really is hard to say if he ever did become a born again Christian after making peace with Christianity, after taking power he always claimed to be a devout Roman Catholic, but this may have just been a PR thing. After realizing that the Italian people would never tun their backs on their national faith and church, he was smart enough to silence his opposition.
Interestingly enough he was actually fascinated by Buddhism. Although by the brutal actions that he employed during most of his life, it is hard to be picture him as an actual Roman Catholic or Buddhist.
- Chris Gilmore
"1929 Concordant"
shouldn't the Lateran Treaties be mentioned by name? there is allready an article dedicated to them it could link to. Mark