Talk:Battle of Talas
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I deleted the following sentences:
- Centuries of Chinese influence in the region since the Han Dynasty were halted. It would not be recovered until the Qing Dynasty under Qianlong Emperor as the Tang Dynasty dwindled
- "China" did not continuously excercise influence over this region. China was able to control it only while she was at the height of her prosperity.
- Qianlong Emperor of the Manchu Qing Dynasty did NOT enforce "Chinese" rule there.
--Nanshu 00:50, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
IMO the second sentence did not imply any enforcement of Chinese rule during Qianlong's reign; it only stated that Chinese influence was recovered. Ktsquare (talk) 05:28, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
And, for the first sentence, I agree that "continuous influence" would not be correct. My modification would be:
Influences of the Tang Dynasty and from the East were halted and had not been recovered until the Mongolian invasion. The Qing Dynasty under Qianlong Emperor exercised Manchu influence after successful military campaigns. Ktsquare (talk) 05:45, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
First of all, the article of the Battle of Talas doesn't need to, or shouldn't, overemphasize Chinese influence of centuries later.
I don't know what kind of influence Ktsquare assumes. For political influence, the Chinese were excluded from Qing's administration of Eastern Turkestan. Take a look at 清史稿. Ministers and generals dispatched there were chosen from Manchu or Mongol Eight Banners (the Green Standard were on a rotating basis). The high officials of tulergi golo-be dasara jurgan (Lifanyuan) were reserved for Manchu or Mongol Eight Banners or the imperial family. For cultural or other influence, Chinese entry into Eastern Turkestan was restricted and they were segregated from local residents.
But it is very misleading to say that the Qianlong Emperor exercised Manchu influence. The communication between the dynasty and local leaders were mostly done in Manchu, and bannermen were garrisoned in important points. However, the dynasty minimized Manchu influence. It try to keep the traditional political systems and customs as much as possible. That's the way to maintain the multiethnic empire.
It was after Zuo Zongtang established Xinjiang Province that real Chinese influence began. He enforced an assimilation policy and sparked a backlash from Turkic Muslims. See 中央アジアと東アジアの境界―中央アジアからみた中華世界 by 濱田正美 (境界を超えて―東アジアの周縁から) or Hamada's other works. --Nanshu 03:14, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)