Talk:Athenian democracy

Contents

1 Import into Athens 2 ohlos/ochlos 3 "democracy" lowercased in title? 4 POV sentence 5 Request for clarification 6 Return of Iasson reported

Import into Athens

I have imported the information from here into Athens. -Smack 04:45, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

ohlos/ochlos

Should ohlos be ochlos? The h before the consonant doesn't seem especially possible in Greek, and ochlos does have the right meaning and gender.

"democracy" lowercased in title?

Why should democracy have a lower case "d"? Compare Roman Republic. This seems to be part of the same trend as Smack's move to duplicate content from here on the Athens page, making this just a page about how democracy worked in Athens rather than as THE page about the classical athenian state (though I admit there is also Athenian Empire, with which this page could be better integrated, eg: there are few dates here with which to relate one to the other). Modern and classsical Athens deserve their own pages (again, see Rome) since the period between them does not, and never will have, as much detail and interest. Maybe this page should become Classical Athens. Pm67nz 04:43, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Spoke too soon - I just dicovered History of Athens. That wasn't there last time I looked. My opinions are on hold 'till I've read it!

POV sentence

Is this sentence POV? "It should not be understood that individualism was unwelcome in ancient democracy; on the contrary it was considered that individualism and personal liberty could only flourish in a fully egalitarian democracy." The passive voice construction is a red flag for me. I'd be happy to leave this here if it said something like, "Pericles, for example, believed that individualism and personal liberty could only flourish...." -- but that isn't what it says. --Christofurio 00:26, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

I would agree a statement like that, given that it's reasonable (and it may well be), needs to be sourced. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Contrib} 03:23, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've waited a week for someone to come forward and source or defend this. No one has done either, so I'm going to go ahead and delete it. --Christofurio 21:54, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Request for clarification

"Athenian Democracy is not recognizable as 'modern democracy' is known today, since voting rights were limited strictly to male adult members of the society"

Where do you draw the line of whether something is a democracy or not? Today's democracies still have restrictions on who may vote, although not as exclusive as this. Of course, there is a difference between the restrictions on Athenian voters and ours, but when do you actually say "this one isn't a democracy?" -Frazzydee|✍ 14:36, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Return of Iasson reported

Iasson's sock puppets and their re-inflicting of rejected POV have been reported to Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress.

As I have already told you

1. I am not Iasson
2. Slaves were a tribe that arrived in europe a long long time after Athenian Democracy. Using the term slave is inaccurate and shows that you are ignorant of history.
3. Please provides us your sources that are the proof that douloi had no rights at all, so you can call them slaves.
4. Please stop beeing a vandal.

Stevietheman and all the 213.* anons. You have had your three reverts for this 24hrs. Any more reversions will get you an automatic 24hr block. Please leave the article exactly as it is right now. DJ Clayworth 20:29, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I of course will comply. However, reverting in this manner wasn't supposed to fall under the 3RR rule. This is a clear case of muckraking by this anon. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work</span>} 20:38, May 16, 2005 (UTC)