Talk:Adrienne Clarkson
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Clarkson and 9/11
- After 9/11 happened, she praised Operation Yellow Ribbon, saying that "communities across the country selflessly opened their homes and hearts to stranded air travellers." Chretien and U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci would also do the same thing. They also have never forgotten her standing with both of them on Parliament Hill during the memorial service to honour the victims on September 14, 2001, which over 100,000 attended--the largest single vigil ever seen in the nation's capital.
This bit of phrasing, talking about the (uncited, presumably speculative?) memories of Cretien and Cellucci seems inappropriate to an encyclopedia to me, being suitable rather for a glossy press release. And less glaringly, it seems odd to observe that J.C. and P.C. also praised Yellow Ribbon (in an article about A.C., as contrasted with an article about Yellow Ribbon or 9/11), since that seems to be understandable as baby-kissing writ large. So, I feel that the second two sentences could be cleaned up. In fact, it's possible that this paragraph is not useful, or has undue prominence: is her participation in post-9/11 foofooraw really the most significant event of the first 3 years of her term of office, as the article indirectly suggests? jholman 18:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Hokka?
Is she Hokka? Typical nonsense from Hokka people. As long as somebody's ancestor had been relocated once, they call them Hokka.
Racist?
Isn't it a bit racist to insist that she propagate the Chinese culture simply because she was born to people from that gene pool? If I want to go my own way in the world, I will. I won't be held back by cultural determinism and neither should she.
Satirical link
Satirical links are vandalism!? I replaced the satirical link to Clarkson the Terrible.com. There are 2 positive links and a basically glowing encyclopedia entry; plus the link is clearly marked as satirical. She's a head of State, for pete's sake, surely there's room for Clarkson critique on Wikipedia? Flickharrison
- As far as I'm concerned satire doesn't "cut it." But it's not because it is denigrating to Ms. Clarkson. I just think that links should be more factual in nature. If somebody's assembled a collection of negative facts about Ms. Clarkson, it has every reason to be linked, but my sense is that a satirical article is not an appropriate place to link to from an encyclopedic article. But I'll leave it in there, pending discussion here. - Cafemusique 17:00, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Clarkson's Maiden Name Is Poy in English, Wu in Mandarin and Eng in Cantonese
An editor added that Clarkson is née Poy. But I think the editor confused Adrienne Clarkson with Vivienne Poy, another female Chinese-Canadian politician. Clarkson's maiden name is 伍, which is romanized as Wu or Woo (in Mandarin), or Ng or Eng (in Cantonese). Poy is an unlikely romanization. --Menchi 21:18 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
- I see where the Poy editor may have gotten that idea from. I just read an article from the Taiwanese newspaper Central Daily News (http://www.cdn.com.tw/daily/1999/09/10/text/880910d1.htm) that says "Vivienne Poy and Adrienne Clarkson are in-laws. This is because Vivienne Poy's husband 伍衛權 (in pinyin: Wu1 Wei4-quan1; in Cantonese: Ng5 Wai6-kyun4) is Adrienne Clarkson's younger brother." Maybe Vivienne Poy remarried but didn't change her surname? --Menchi 21:57 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
- The answer (found on a forum posting (http://www.asiawind.com/pub/forum/fhakka/mhonarc/msg02501.html)) is that the Poy family's surname was originally Wu/Eng (伍), but changed to Poy (character unknown) after they immigrated to Canada. -Menchi 22:05 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
- The following was removed from the article twice without explanation by User:Timtonruben359:
- (伍冰枝; pinyin: Wǔ Bīng zhī; Cantonese: Ng5 Benk1 zi1)
- —Gabbe 18:20, Jun 20, 2004 (UTC)
Her Excellency the Rt Hon.
Regarding Zocky's edit: 'rm "Her excellency, the right honourable". The article shouldn't start like that. Is there a way (and a need) to work this somehow back in?)' I would like to hear why you think the article should not start with her styles and titles. They are something that a good encyclopedia should include, and in the first sentence is the most natural place to put it. I think the only other way to include them is in a one-sentence paragraph: "Her official styles and titles are ...", What about articles about famous miltary figures? Should their military rank be omitted from the first paragraph? "Her Excellency the Right Honourable" can be see as a civilian counterpart to military rank. -- Indefatigable 20:41, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Not really. This is not a rank, it's a form of address used for her office. Like "Her majesty". Should pages on monarchs start with "Her Majesty Elisabeth the second is..."? (not that I agree that pages on generals should start with "General Wesley Clark is...")
Zocky 22:26, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Why not start with "Her Excellency" or "Her Majesty"? What is the harm? It adds a fact to the article and causes no harm that I can see.--Indefatigable 00:37, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Good material for a Forms of address article. Salsa Shark 20:45, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Clarkson
Where did the last name Clarkson come from? --Jiang | Talk 07:52, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- She didn't like her monosyllabic surname, so she made up a new one. (Kidding) It's from her first marriage. I'll work that into the article. --Menchi (Talk)â 07:55, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Criticising her for not marrying Chinese husbands seems a bit bizarre. Also, considering it was almost unheard of for women to keep their maiden names when she was first married it would be a bit much to have expected her to keep hers.
The point about her last name is irrelevent. When she married Stephen Clarkson 40 years or so ago it was almost unheard of for women to keep their maiden names. To use this as a criticism of her for ignoring her Chinese heritage is silly. Andylehrer 02:21, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As for why she kept the name - she became a TV star in Canada in the 1960s while she was married to Clarkson. Becoming famous as "Adrienne Clarkson" it would have been unreasonable to expect her to change her name upon becoming divorced. Note she has not changed her name to Adrienne Saul since marrying John Ralston Saul.
Vancouver Protest
Is last month's protest really noteworthy enough to merit inclusion in an article about her. As it's listed, it seems to be dissatisfaction about her actions on a relatively unimportant trip. Rather trivial for an article about her, and probably wouldn't be noticed, I daresay, if it wasn't a current event at the time of insertion. Shouldn't this be removed? Cafemusique 22:15, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I agree. This incident will probably be long forgotten a month from now, and is likely too trivial to be included in an overview of her life and career, like this encyclopedia article.--Indefatigable 23:13, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)