MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt
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I think I should discuss this before I change it. I always thought Special:Userlogin would be unintuitive for new users since it doesn't suggest that they can pick their new login here. I'm thinking of changing the text for the prompt to be something like
- If you are a new user and wish to create a new account, select a username and password and click Create new account.
- Returning users need only fill in their account name and password.
- You must have cookies enabled to log in to Wikipedia.
Dysprosia 13:59, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Maybe some more explanation of why would people want to login and/or create user accounts. Zocky 23:55, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Yes, I think a link to an appropriate help page would be very useful. BTW this should probably be unprotected. -- Tim Starling 00:00, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
- I don't think pages that pertain to the interface should be unprotected. They are too visible even if they are only vandalized for a short period of time. The talk pages are unprotected so anyone can make a suggestion. Although perhaps the process should be a bit clearer (i.e. make a suggestion, notify a sysop somewhere). Dori | Talk 00:42, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
Proposal 2
- If you are a new user, you can create an account by choosing a user name and password, and clicking Create new account. Returning users only need to fill in their user name and password.
- You must have cookies enabled to log in to Wikipedia. See How to log in if you have trouble.
How's this? Dysprosia 00:44, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It's better, but I was thinking more along the lines of:
- This is the login page for Wikipedia.
- Although Wikipedia does not require you to create a user account and log in before editing articles, it might be a good idea for several reasons. For more details see [apropriate page].
- If you are a new user and wish to create a new account:
- select a username (refer to Wikipedia:Username for help on that)
- type and retype your chosen password
- if you wish to allow other users to contact you through email and/or wish to have the option to receive a new password in case you forget it, provide your email address below.
- click Create new account. See Wikipedia:How to log in if you have trouble.
- After creating your account, it might be a good idea to set your preferences. Maybe this should go to the account created page.
- If you are a returning user:
- fill in your username
- type your password
- if you want to be automatically logged in next time anybody visits wikipedia on this computer, check the Remember my password across sections checkbox.
- click Log in.
- If you have forgotten your password, click Mail me a new password. This works only if you have provided your email address. For more details see [appropriate page]
- note: You must have cookies enabled in your browser to log in to Wikipedia. For more details see [another appropriate page]
The idea is to dumb it down a little - some of this is for newbies, right? The form is also slightly confusing, IMO Zocky 01:01, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- I don't think it needs to be quite that verbose. You are just reproducing information that they could get to by following one of the links. If the wikipedia users are dumb enough not to be able to follow a link, then perhaps they should no be involved in editing :) Give them some more credit. I don't think there is a need to clutter the interface. Dori | Talk 01:15, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
- It's not about them being dumb, just maybe not that much familiar with the whole accounts/passwords thing. Not everybody has been in the blog scene. And instead making them actually read the whole pages (which most people won't do, anyway), we should just provide all people need to create an account on single page. OTOH, Create new account might make more sense as a separate page than as a part of the login prompt. Zocky 01:22, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
What I really want is advertising for Wikipedia:Username. It contains some useful information about selecting usernames that I wish more people would read. I'm thinking either indirect, by encouraging users to go to Wikipedia:How to log in: "for more information about logging in, visit Wikipedia:How to log in", or direct, say another sentence reading: "see [[Wikipedia:Username for information about choosing a username". How about this:
- For information about creating an account, see how to log in. For tips on choosing a username, see Wikipedia:Username. Returning users need only fill in their account name and password.
- You must have cookies enabled to log in to Wikipedia.
(via edit conflict with Zocky) -- Tim Starling 01:02, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
I think a short sentence or two should mention how a new user can login, without referring them out to too many pages. The login prompt shouldn't be too long either.
Proposal 3 (based on Tim's above)
- If you are creating an account, select a user name and password and click "Create new account". For tips on choosing a user name, see Wikipedia:Username, or if you need more information about logging in, see how to log in.
- Returning users only need to fill in their user name and password.
- You must have cookies enabled to log in to Wikipedia.
Dysprosia 02:03, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I agree it shouldn't be too long. I don't mind what it says as long it isn't more than a couple of lines. Angela. 06:27, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Any issues with Prop 3? Maybe I should make the edit soon... Dysprosia 08:53, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- I made some of the same changes. The "need only fill in" sounds weird to me. Also, we should use the same "user name" words as are displayed which is why I removed account. Dori | Talk 14:36, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Looks good (Sorry you had to make the same changes!). There's a problem, though - in the Wikipedia:Username lit "username" is used consistently, though you are right that in the form it's "user name". What should be done? Dysprosia 21:54, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- That's probably not as important. I think we should go with the form, but it's not a big deal as it can be understood. I mostly didn't like "account" since it wasn't mentioned anywhere else. Dori | Talk 22:01, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Ok, cool :) I'll leave this as the current for a while and will instate the new prompt if no one complains for a while. Dysprosia 22:05, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- BTW we can change Mediawiki:Yourname to get the "user name" to "username". Dysprosia 22:10, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- That's probably not as important. I think we should go with the form, but it's not a big deal as it can be understood. I mostly didn't like "account" since it wasn't mentioned anywhere else. Dori | Talk 22:01, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Looks good (Sorry you had to make the same changes!). There's a problem, though - in the Wikipedia:Username lit "username" is used consistently, though you are right that in the form it's "user name". What should be done? Dysprosia 21:54, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It seems that one can't create wikilinks in MediaWiki messages. Any way to circumvent this restriction? Dysprosia 07:23, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC) Worked it out, never mind :)
Use a real name? Sounds too much like "use your real name". Could this be reworded?
Oh. This message is too like a commercial advertisement. "It's completely free", "benefits", noooo...I suggest (and this should go below login box)
| You may register here. We thank you for all articles you have created until now. If you want to get our comments, you can create an account so we'll know you by some readable ID. You could then customize your preferences or add some notes about yourself. Simply select a username (<a href="http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username">tips</a>) and password, then click "Create new account". Type your e-mail if you want to get e-mails from other users.
<A HREF="http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_create_an_account%3F">More about creating an account</A> |
(I'm not sure about English 'may', may be it should be 'can' or something else) --Ilya 04:16, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Coments on Login text
Hello. the login text is nice. But somebody with a screen resolution lower than 1024x768 will have to scroll down in order to input his/her username and password in the editboxes. I suggest to move the editboxes above the text. Optim 05:41, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- That's not possible using the Mediawiki namespace. It's something you would have to request at Sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=browse&group_id=34373&atid=411195&set=custom&_assigned_to=0&_status=1&_category=100&_group=100&order=open_date&sort=DESC&offset=0). Angela. 23:54, Jan 15, 2004 (UTC)
Changes
Some of this message is now at MediaWiki:Loginend instead. What used to be MediaWiki:Emailforlost is there too. Angela. 01:07, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)