Talk:Zeppelin

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- June 3 2004

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I reverted the changes by 80.148.17.33. They consisted of removing contents (two images, some headlines, last sections of article, links to foreign language versions) for no apparent reasons and without justification. J.Rohrer 10:55, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I removed this from the article: "all Zeppelins have a no smoking rule."

— Matt 15:37, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Contents

1 Schütte-Lanz 2 Zeppelins were used extensively by US during the IIWW 3 I edited the WWII section 4 Request for references

Schütte-Lanz

The section Technological progress should really include a mention of Shutte-Lanz, as many innovations were copied from this company. An aerodynamic shape and simple cruciform empennage (tail) are good examples. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to mess up a featured article (I'm new to this).

13:43, 14 July 2004 (UTC)

You are right, Schütte-Lanz (sic!) deserves to be mentioned there, so I put this on my to-do list (though you should not feel too intimidated by the featured status). They should, however, be treated rather briefly as the article is already quite long, so the focus should remain the "actual" Zeppelins. By the way, I intend to translate de:Schütte-Lanz (after some expansions there) when I find some time, but I cannot promise that will be soon. --J.Rohrer 22:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Done. If you are a native speaker, please check my additions for syntax and grammar, because I am not. --J.Rohrer 00:12, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

OK, so I can't spell. ;) I've changed the ventilation shafts slightly. I hope you like it. 12:18, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

According to some sources, LZ2 was first flown 30 November 1905. 17 January 1906 would have been the second and last flight.

Zeppelins were used extensively by US during the IIWW

Seriously. See 'Zeppelins in the Second World War' section. And to think this got featured with such a serious factual error claiming IIWW was the death of zeppelins... :> Enjoy :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that section is badly broken. The biggest problem that I see is the inclusion of information about non-rigids as "pressure zeppelins". This information belongs elsewhere (perhaps it's time to create an article on US Navy Airships during WWII) and the discussion here focused on rigids -- particularly those produced by the zepp company. Blimpguy 23:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was translating this from Polish article and I admit I didn't know the right English terminology. Based on Polish wiki article, there are three types of zeppelins: szkieletowe (skeleton?), półszkieletowe (half-skeleton?), ciśnieniowe (pressure?). They have their stubs on pl wiki but no linkage to English one, so I couldn't base my translation on that :( If this artcle is getting to long, it would be a good idea to create a subarticle you mention. I'll leave it up to you - my main goal was to correct the mistake that zeppelnis were not used in IIWW. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:05, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I edited the WWII section

I cleaned up the language, although there is still some unusual terminology in there. I'm familiar with the technology and history, but not about the specific facts of the WWII service.

Much tnx. I was dead tired yesterday so you saved me the trouble of doint this myself now :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:05, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Not a prob. I think this section needs more research and discussion because I suspect it is inaccurate in the United States references. There seems to be a lot of confusion in terminology between what is a Zeppelin, Airship, Dirigible, "Pressure Zeppelin", and Blimp. While the US did have some Zeppelins at the start of the war, most of the patrols and reconnaissance were performed by Blimps which the Polish reference seems to call "Pressure Zeppelins". I'm not sure how these should best be split but most of this should be moved to Airship, if not Blimp. It may have been accurate that Zeppelin-Zeppelins were not actually used in WWII but only in the immediate prelude to the conflict by LZ130.

The section is based entirely (so far) on my translation of a Polish article from magazine 'Lotnictwo' 3/92, Sterowce w drugiej wojnie światowej by Andrzej Morgała, member of Wingfoot Lighter Then Air Society. I think it is factual accurate (otherwise I'd have not translated it for Wiki), but I admit my lack of specialized terminology might have resulted in some errors. You are right, however, that most of this section (about non-German airships) should be moved. The lead sais Due to the outstanding success of the Zeppelin design, the term zeppelin in casual use came to refer to all rigid airships. This article, however, focuses on Zeppelins in the narrower sense of the word. - seems that I have missed it before. I will take care of moving it in a few hours. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

WWII section on non-German aircraft moved to aircraft article. Part of the Recent Developments section may be moved as well, don't you think so? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:19, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Request for references

Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. If some of the external links are reliable sources and were used as references, they can be placed in a References section too. See the cite sources link for how to format them. Thank you, and please leave me a message (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Taxman&action=edit&section=new) when a few references have been added to the article. - Taxman 19:58, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)