Talk:Wiktionary

Actually, both the idea and the name "Wiktionary" have been proposed various times before Daniel Altson's proposal. However, he is the one who actually committed to getting it off the ground. -- Stephen Gilbert 14:30 Dec 12, 2002 (UTC)

hmm someone added a link of my name, i'm nto shroe if i deserve my own article about me :-s. =fonzy

well the wiktionary have language to language ability?Vera Cruz

No, but this is a must to do...

REDIRECTing to Wikitionary?

Some one create an article on Metanoia, I moved the content to Wikitionary, tried to do a redirect with "wikitionary:" as the language, it didn't work... is there anyway to redirect to other Wikimedia projects? -- user:zanimum

Two issues there - firstly its Wiktionary, second you missed the #redirect. I have sorted it out. Morwen 15:37, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

... which raises the question: if I were to want to write a Wikipedia article on Metanoia (which I don't BTW), what is the quickest way I could get to the article to edit it? Bearing in mind that it is a REDIRECT to outside Wikipedia, there is no back-link from Wiktionary as there would be on an intra-Wikipedia REDIRECT. So other than troll through Morwen's contributions list, what's the quickest way? Enquiring minds want to know :-) Oh, and directly munging the URL is cheating: I'm looking for a mechanism within Wikipedia. --Phil 16:06, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

There is none, that's why interwiki redirects are BAD BAD BAD. Gentgeen 16:17, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To continue on that line, the page should have been Transwikied over to wiktionary and then listed on VfD, otherwise someone will raise the point that the content was inappropiatly deleted from wikipedia. Gentgeen

Transwikied content is a Candidate for speedy deletion. Anthony DiPierro 16:34, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

That's what's on the policy page, but that category is disputed on the talk page, so I feel kinda underhanded if I list a transwikied article there. Gentgeen

In fact I don't think even looking at Morwen's contribs would help... unless you are a sysop and so can see the rollback button. Direct URL handling (i.e. writing &redirect=0 at the end) is the only way. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:34, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

... which gets the result:

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Bad title
From Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title.

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So is there a way to do this? I'm assuming the case where someone wanted to write a proper article on Metanoia, with presumably a link to the Wiktionary definition at some point. --Phil 17:05, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC)

you want http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Metanoia&redirect=no

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FWIW, I really really dislike interwiki redirects, and get rid of them whenever I have the chance. First of all, I dislike the idea of Wikipedia articles redirecting anywhere other than other Wikipedia articles, and secondly they're a pain because you can only edit them with manual URL editing. --Delirium 06:45, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

I agree. In fact, I think we should avoid redirecting between namespaces, too. Granted, it's unlikely that anyone will try to link the word welcome in an encyclopedia article, but I'm not so sure about edit conflict - which could end up rather confusing. Until I changed it the other day, user account redirected to Special:Userlogin - but somebody had happily linked to it from root (disambiguation). Special: pages are particularly confusing, because you don't get a Redirected from: message - for example New pages isn't a piped link, it's a redirect in the main namespace here (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=New_pages&redirect=no).

What's more, even if people understand what's happened, it's not a very good idea, because it makes it look like meta-information has been shoved in with the main content, which is what we're avoiding by having namespaces in the first place. Useful though they are if you can't be bothered to type "Wikipedia:" or "Special:" each time, they're just a hostage to fortune. [And don't forget you can do [[Special:Newpages|]] to stop the namespace showing up.] Imagine if you were flicking through a paper encyclopedia and under E it said Errata, and listed all the errata in that edition... - IMSoP 20:03, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

There are two templates available; {{wikt|name of article}} on Wikipedia, and {{-info-}} on Wiktionary. Keep in mind that some wiktionaries already do not capitalise their articles, so the spelling should be correct. GerardM 05:36, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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There are two templates supporting a pretty reference into Wiktionary.

1. template:Wiktionary and
2. template:Wiktionarypar

details of their use can be found at Wikipedia:How to link to Wikimedia projects#Wiktionary. Josh Parris ✉ 02:38, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

True or false??

True or false: Wikipedia and Wiktionary need to be merged into a single project. 66.245.100.146 01:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am on the side of true. Coincidentaly, it would be nice to have some discussion of merger within wikipedia community in the article. -- Taku 05:44, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

So do I: Perhaps we should merge them? On a second thought I see however also some reasons to keep them separate. I presume this discussion has been helt before? Donar Reiskoffer 19:50, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Strongly in favour. The distinction appears to be artificial and damaging to both projects. In dead-tree land it makes a pragmatic kind of sense; books, even multi-volume books, have a size limit, so you trade off depth for coverage. In wikiland there's no such size constraint; there's therefore no need to compromise on either depth or coverage, and any such compromises harm their projects unnecessarily. The split reduces the network-effect benefits of wiki, makes it harder to find information (since you won't necessarily know whether an unfamiliar word is a "dictionary" term or an "encyclopaedia" term), and leads to substantial duplication of effort for nouns and noun phrases. Mike Capp 19:19, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This was also my first thought, on a second thought I discovered one problem: on the Wikipedia article Boot the German interlanguage link is de:Stiefel. On the Wiktionary article Boot (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Boot) the German interlanguage link to de:Boot (http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Boot). But perhaps there may be other approaches to link the wikipedia and wiktionar more closely: for each wiktionary article a stub with a direct link to the wiktionary article could be created in Wikipedia? Donar Reiskoffer 08:00, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

False, most emphatically. Read about the Ultimate wiktionary on Meta. Because of the structure inherent in a dictionary, all Wiktionaries should be merged into one (relational) database. This will benefit the quality of the project as work done will impact related occurences in other languages. Wikipedia does not have a similar structure.

Besides, there are over currently over 40 translations for many names of languages. This would mean that these articles would drown out the wikipedia content. GerardM 05:28, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)</nowiki>