Talk:Velvet Revolution
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pictures?
It would be great if someone could add pictures to the article. Stancel 20:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi people
questions
Were there any real organizers of the Velvet Revolution?
- No (almost certainly). The system was rotten from inside. Then anything could put it down and it did. Pavel Vozenilek 01:01, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
who are the people that are involved in this revolution and what were they significant for? What about Vaclav Havel, what were his major contributions other than being the president? What did he do to become president, to be liked to much? Why was this revolution so short in time? What were the original protests about to start the revolution?--167.7.248.213 14:16, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)Morgan
- Havel was at the right place at certain moment. His role was mostly to serve as known icon. The system imploded because of being its incompetence and stagnation. Pavel Vozenilek 18:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I heard on European radio last night that one of these November rallies/protests was a commemoration; it was the 50th anniversary of a protest against the Nazi occupation by medical students, in which one wound up fatally shot, some others were executed, and many were put in concentration camps...142.177.23.123 16:37, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Yes.
a rumour about a dead student Martin Smid was very important in that time - posssibly a secret service operation - should be mentioned
- Its just rumor and even if true it wouldn't be that important, IMHO. The system was so rotten it would collapse anyway. Pavel Vozenilek 18:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think it was to do with the 20th anniversary of a student (who's name was Jan or Jana or similar) who committed suicide by setting himself on fire, as a protest. 80.229.143.117 16:56, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- No. You mean Jan Palach, it was aniversary of different event. Pavel Vozenilek 18:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Nazi Occupation
It should be noted that the elections in 1990 were not the first since 1948, as Czechoslovakia endured, first, Nazi occupation and just after the liberation of that occupation, the Soviet Occupation began. This makes the elections the first since the Munich Pact in 1939.
- Czechoslovakia was not occupied by Soviets in 1946, as their troops left the country by the end of 1945. Despite the fact that Communists won them, the elections in 1946 were democratic. -- Sandius 18:32, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article says, "with Soviet Union unable to interfere". I think "not willing to interfere" would be more appropriate: their military capability to do it may be disputed, but the lack of interest certainly not. -- Sandius 23:24, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Poll: whole paragraph or bullet list?
What do people prefere? Is the description of events in one paragraph more readable than bulleted list or opposite?
Version with bullet list: [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Velvet_Revolution&oldid=10687500)
Version with one paragraph: [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Velvet_Revolution&oldid=10619893)
Pavel Vozenilek 01:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Suggestion: include timeline
What about leaving the paragraph there (the text explains connections between events better than bulleted list) and adding a graphical timeline as an overview, such the one below? (Feel free to adjust the timeline as needed) Brona 03:27, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
<timeline> ImageSize = width:800 height:300 DateFormat = dd/mm/yyyy TimeAxis = orientation:horizontal format:dd/mm/yyyy PlotArea = left:0 bottom:20 top:0 right:0
Colors =
id:canvas value:rgb(0.97,0.97,0.97) id:grid value:gray(0.88) id:black value:rgb(0,0,0) id:mark value:rgb(0.7,0,0)
BackgroundColors = canvas:canvas
Period = from:15/11/1989 till:17/01/1990 ScaleMinor = unit:day increment:1 start:16/11/1989 gridcolor:grid
BarData=
barset:revolution
PlotData=
barset:revolution mark:(line,mark) fontsize:S at:16/11/1989 text:" Nov. 16: student demonstration in Bratislava" at:17/11/1989 text:" Nov. 17: student demonstration in Prague beaten back by the police" at: 27/11/1989 text:" Nov. 27: general strike" at: 28/11/1989 text:" Nov. 28: Communist Party of Czechoslovakia gives up its monopoly on political power" at: 05/12/1989 text:" Dec. 5: barbed iron removed from West Germany and Austria borders" at: 10/12/1989 text:" Dec. 10: non-communist government appointed,~ Gustáv Husák resigns" at: 29/12/1989 text:" Dec. 29: Václav Havel elected president"
</timeline>
- I agree with Brona that a paragraph text can explain connections between the events better than a timeline. Timeline is IMHO too limiting and necessarily leads to simplification. Not every simplification is wrong; but I'd say it's better to have more information on the subject than just a hollow description. And why can't we have a nicely structured paragraph text? It would be more loose and flexible.
- As for the graphical timeline, it is an interesting idea. But its main advantage, I think, is in picturing parallel events or events whose relationship isn't so obvious -- e.g. displaying the fall of the European Communism in general. In this case, I don't think it's necessary. -- Sandius 10:45, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- If the article is supposed to remain as it is now, I would prefere a timeline. If , however, we expect that the text will be longer one day, then the timeline will be too long and will demotivate further edits...Juro 00:58, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
