Talk:The Planets
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In the article, it says:
- ...received its first complete public performance on October 10, 1920 in Birmingham, with Appleby Matthews conducting.
I just wrote Albert Coates, in the course of which I looked at the Coates article in the Concise Grove, the Coates article on allclassical.com and then The Planets entry in Kenneth Thompson's A Dictionary of 20th Century Composers (Faber and Faber, 1973) (among several other irrelevant things) - all say that Coates conducted the first complete public performance of the piece (Thompson says at the Queen's Hall in London on November 15, 1920). Several websites seem to agree. But then I found the liner notes for the Hyperion disc with Colin Matthew's "Pluto" on it [1] (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/67270.html), which agrees with what we have in the article, and specifically mentions the Coates performance as the first in London. I'm not a Holst scholar, and don't know which version is correct.
So which is it? Coates seems to have support in numbers, but the Hyperion notes are recent, and may better reflect recent research. The fact that they mention the later Coates performance also makes me think it could be correct. Still, the person who wrote those notes could be mistaken if, for example, the Birmingham performance was planned but never happened, or if it was not in fact complete, or if it was not in fact in public.
I don't know which version of events is right, and I don't know how to resolve this. But I thought I'd note the conflict here in case anybody else has any ideas. --Camembert
Apparently there IS a "Earth, the Home of Man" that came out of somewhere... Anyone has any info about that one? Kieff 05:53, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
- According to who is there such a movement? There is an mp3 going around some of the file sharing networks with this title, but in fact it's just an incorrectly labelled "Mercury". --Camembert 14:24, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
The rest of the media
Why don't we have Saturn and Neptune on the media for downloa as well? — Kieff | Talk 04:11, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe something is wrong with my browser, but I don't see the download links at all. Just non-existant infopages and links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki --DooMDrat 10:38, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
"Pluto: Lord of the Underworld"
An anon editor recently changed the part about Holst not writing a "Pluto" movement after its discovery to read:
- When Pluto was discovered in 1930, four years prior to Holst's death, Holst debated writing another movement to encompass the new planet. In the end he did, and named it Pluto - Lord of the Underworld.
I'm quite sure this is incorrect, so I've changed it back. Common knowledge, as all standard reference works reflect, is that Holst never wrote a "Pluto", nor showed any sign of doing so. Of course, if there's been recent scholarship which shows such a movement exists, then lets give a source and I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
I wonder if the edit was motivated by an mp3 which seems to be floating around some of the file sharing networks labelled "Pluto - Lord of the Underworld" and claiming to be by Holst. What that file is, I don't know (it's nothing I recognise; portentous synthesised-orchestra nonsense), but it's not what it claims to be. --Camembert 13:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
