Talk:T.A.T.u.
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Shouldn't we take them off the famous lesbian/gay/bisexual people list then?
I'm confused. How did Yulia announce that she was pregnant in May, and then get a miscarriage in February, if it was supposed to happen in the same year? Or did she announce the miscarriage only in May? -- Mydemand
She didn't have a miscarriage in February 2004, as the article seemed to say, she had an abortion in February 2003. I corrected it. Simon d 11:43, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This is one case when having the first letter capitalised is annyoing. I think there needs to be some kind of sysop overwrite feature. -fonzy
Do we really need the latest gossip on t.A.T.u. or their publicity stunts here (ie. the addition that they said they would marry)? -- Kimiko 21:27 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
- Heh, that's funny. :) That's a good enough reason in my book to keep it. But seriously, if it's verifiably true and all that, I see no reason not to include it. It offers some insight into how they wish to be perceived in public, for one thing... -- Oliver P. 23:28 May 2, 2003 (UTC)
Okay, but it gives only one data point then. If you want to give insight into how they want to be perceived, a list of their most outrageous statements might be more useful. BTW, I couldn't find anything about them getting married on the official or semi-official sites, so I think it still qualifies as mere gossip. -- Kimiko 08:41 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
- It is not gossip, if you look on MSN news it is there. IMO this is a clever way of winning it, ppl will be voting them just so they wil get married not becuase of teh song. -fonzy. Here is the the small article: [1] (http://dotmusic.msn.co.uk/chameleon/msn/news.asp?id=29258&st=normal)
"Preferably in Germany", eh? Germany doesn't even have same-sex marriages. Besides, both are Russian citizens AFAIK, so it wouldn't be legal anyway. Oh well, as long as their music doesn't start boring me I don't care much what nonsense they tell the media. -- Kimiko 15:35 May 3, 2003 (UTC)
- Germany has same-sex partnerships which are equivalent. --Eloquence 21:37 26 May 2003 (UTC)
Partnerships are not marriages. See also civil union. -- Kimiko 23:31 26 May 2003 (UTC)
It was a tabloid invention - Yulia joked about the rumour in an interview with the New Yorker. I deleted it since it wasn't true. simon_d 23.56 Sat 4 Dec 2004
Eloquence wrote: "-strange claim about fans". Why did you remove that? It is true that the girls' orientation is still a topic of much discussion among fans. Just look around in the chat areas of the various fan sites (see links at the end of the article). Many people who post there are themselves lesbian/gay/bi and would like to see the group as their idols (lesbian that is). I think this is a valid and meaningful point to mention in this article. -- Kimiko 21:28 26 May 2003 (UTC)
- Show me statistics. This is a huge pop group. Gays are about 5-10% of the population by generous estimates. Yes, an openly lesbian group probably attracts more openly bi/gay fans than one which is not. This is so obvious as to be irrelevant. But a phrase like "As many of the group's fans are themselves teenage lesbian and bisexual girls" reads like there is a huge teenage lesbian/bi following, which is highly questionable, especially as many teenagers are not yet certain about their sexual orientation.--Eloquence 21:36 26 May 2003 (UTC)
You are right, it is somewhat obvious. Given their musical style, age and video material, they would probably attract more younger (teenage or a little older) people. Given their hinting at a lesbian relationship, they would probably attract more lesbian/gay/bi people. Given that minority groups like to identify with famous people who also belong to that group, and that t.A.T.u. still haven't come out one way or another, there would probably be a lot of discussion/speculation among lesbian/gay/bi fans. The suggestion that they have a huge lesbian/bi following is indeed a bit overstated. -- Kimiko 23:31 26 May 2003 (UTC)
Two points;
- Fonzy added: Rumours after the contest had gone around, that the duo will split up, due to entering the contest, wich is considerd by some not to be "cool". I'm not sure what this means. I've reworded it in the article, but I'm not sure I've preserved the sense. In any case, it's probably best not to include unattributed rumours. If some newspaper has printed a story about it, for example, you could cite that. All I can find on the Web is a teenmusic.com article ("Tatu To Split? (http://www.teenmusic.com/d.asp?r=38220&cat=1020)", dated May 27, 2003) which mentions "negative reaction" and a complaint about people focusing on their private lives(!), but doesn't give Eurovision as a reason.
- User:198.81.26.111 added "but, they also enjoy partners of the opposite sex" with the edit comment, "this is true dude, they said it on maxim hot 100 last night". So, a statement with a reference! But it was removed soon afterwards. I think that quotations with references are better than speculation, so shouldn't this go back in? -- Oliver P. 14:44 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- There have always been split rumours, so I added that info to put the latest rumour in context. Anyway, the rumours themselves may be unattributed, but it is objective fact that they exist.
- The girls themselves are probably the least reliable source of information. I think it would be best to leave it as it is, just saying there is much speculation, otherwise what is supposed to be an authoritative reference will end up looking like the standard "are they really lesbians" newbie thread in one of their forums.
- PS4FA 09:55 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I did a google search for "julia volkova television danish" and it gave nothing to verify the following paragraph: "On a Danish children's television show Julia Volkova appeared to have sex with a juvenile until she balked and asked the male child to stop."
I did check out some of the hits and the Tatu Forum1 (http://www.tatu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3446&start=1520) questions the integrity of these exact comments. A link was posted to an MTV article on this 2 (http://mtv.co.uk/mtv.co.uk/news/article.jhtml?articleId=30045742) and suggests that something similar happened on a German childrens' show. From a little more digging, it seems the show might have been Interaktiv on German music channel, VIVA.
Anyway, I have taken the liberty of removing this text for now; I challenge someone to find the definite set of circumstances and prove it.
SimonMayer 03:48 Tue 17 Feb 2004
Thanks for fixing the cyrillic spelling. I as a matter of fact had no clue when I wrote it at first. --Valmi Dufour 23:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This article was seriously dated - they admitted they weren't lesbians a year ago! I've updated it, removed the false rumours - like them changing their name to Tema, which was a hoax by a Russian pop group called Tema to get publicity - and tried to generally make the article more accurate. User: simon_d 00:18 Sun 5 Dec 2004
Official website
Anyone has an idea if an English translation of the new website is planned? --Valmi 07:39, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yo. I just tried to download a video from the official website and it wouldn't play, saying some crap about a codec error. anybody know wtf this means?--MDC 10:12, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
Just to explain, my last revert (about spelling) was based simply on Google hits, I do not speak Russian and am not even particularly knowledgeable about t.A.T.u, but unless someone can prove it should be otherwise, I think it should stand as it is:
- "Prostye Dvizheniya" - 2,610 hits
- "Prostye Dvizhenya" - 165 hits
- "Prostiye Dvizheniya" - 112 hits
- "Prostiye Dvizhenya" - 13 hits
- Lawlore 02:25, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)