Talk:Rudyard Kipling

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Critics have found in his works both both advocacy and criticism of Victorian colonialism.

This really needs to be more detailed. Which works? The advocacy part is pretty easy ("White Man's Burden" springs to mind), criticism less so. 200.191.188.xxx, do you have specific examples I can use? -- Paul Drye

Not off the top of my pointy little head, sorry. :-) I remember reading "something" about this. I'll look around and see what I can find.

Later. All right, I'm going to dump some links here for your perusal. I haven't read them in detail and don't know what they're arguing. No warranty, express or implied, etc., - I just looked on Google for Kipling + colonialism.

• Review of the film The Man Who Would Be King -- http://www.guidetocinema.com/king.html --

• Edward Said article "Culture and Imperialism" -- http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/barsaid.htm --

• Colonialism and Morality in The Moonstone and The Man Who Would Be King [film] -- http://www.qub.ac.uk/english/imperial/india/col-moral.htm --

• Theories Imperialism [a study guide] -- http://www.ahs.cqu.edu.au/humanities/history/52148/modules/imperial_colonialB.html --

• "The White Man's Burden" and Its Critics -- http://www.boondocksnet.com/kipling/ --

• Empires of Fact and Fiction ["Curriculum Unit"] -- http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1983/3/83.03.10.x.html

• Middle Period -- http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/1457/middle.htm --

• Peter Keeps on Kipling -- http://www.bens.connectfree.co.uk/pb/KIPLIN.HTM --

• Is Kipling on the Downward Track? [1899] -- http://www.boondocksnet.com/kipling/kipling_chapman990715.html

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Are you sure about the copyright status of "If--", 205.188.198.xxx? We're exactly 75 years past Kipling's death, so it may not be in the public domain. A quick boo around the Kipling Society's web page didn't help....--Paul Drye

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"We're exactly 75 years past Kipling's death, so it may not be in the public domain."

If we were it would be, but it's actually 67 years.

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Clarification to Kipling's house(s): Bateman's (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/places/batemans/history.html) in Sussex was his house for the last 34 years of his life and was bequeathed to the National Trust on his wife's death in 1939. The mansion bequeathed on his daughter's death was Wimpole Hall (http://www.wimpole.org/) in Cambridgeshire, which has no connection with Kipling other than the fact that his daughter lived there. Wilus

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From the deleted talk page of If —

Died in 1936. Isn't this still copyright? And anyway, Wikipedia is not the place for source texts! -- Tarquin 17:09, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

If he died in 1936, this is copyrighted until 2006. At18 21:56, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I didn't create this page, I just separated it out from the Rudyard Kipling page. I shall revert what I did and move this talk back to that page. Angela 22:10, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I'm not sure the article really grasps Kipling's status as a writer of prose. His poetry is fine as far as it goes, and he was a great author of children's literature, but he was also one of the finest short story writers in English. It seems odd that there is no critical consideration of him as a prose writer. Kipling had a great influence as a writer of short stories, notably on Jorge Luis Borges.

I made a start. Borges reference: No hay uno solo de los cuentos de este volumen que no sea, a mi parecer, una breve y suficiente obra maestra. "There is not one of the stories in this volume that is not, it seems to me, a brief and sufficient masterpiece." [1] (http://jorgeluisborges.gipuzkoakultura.net/kipling.htm) Anderson reference: "He is for everyone who responds to vividness, word magic, sheer storytelling. Most readers go on to discover the subtleties and profundities." [2] (http://www.kipling.org.uk/facts_scifi.htm) Maybe these could go in the article as footnotes--but then we might also want C. S. Lewis's "all vitamins and no roughage" or something, for balance. —JerryFriedman 21:04, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Customized Classics

"Customized classics" are a range of "editions" that put your picture on the cover, add a happy ending to Romeo and Juliet, and replace the names in the texts with the names of your choice: "Oh, Brad, Brad, wherefore art thou Brad?" You can get a customized edition of Moby Dick, with either Ahab or Moby bearing your own name. I'm trying hard to suppose that such links are added in good faith, and not as vandalism. Try to imagine EB referring to this type of product in its articles about literary classics. Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia too. I've removed one of these links from this article, just as I have removed the same user's nonsense text in Romance novel and Romantic fiction. --Bishonen 19:12, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You mean I can get Bartleby the Scribner with my own name in it? That's so cool! :-) (If you have an IP or user name for the Krazy Klassics inserter, let me know. I'd be happy to try my feeble hand at doing something about it.) Geogre 21:21, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Request for references

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