Talk:Revisionism

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User:WHEELER's edits made a claim that I believe has been refuted elsewhere. Also, his link to the Wikipedia namespace was not appropriate. Isomorphic 23:18, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Popular discourse is a reasonably common term. Can't be bothered arguing about it. Will use a similar expression. Fifelfoo 05:35, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The point of the original para was that use of the word revisionism in its original technical sense among historians is declining because of the negative connotations it has acquired of holocaust-denial etc. This is a simple and clear point to make. You are cluttering the para up with vague and incorrect statements. Please leave it alone. Adam 05:58, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Adam, the version you prefer is rather imprecise about the /mechanism/ of why the word's use has decined outside of historigraphy and historiology. "Completely neutral" is also rather, um, dodgy. Historians go each others guts over 60 year periods about, crudely, if the Germans were right or wrong in the first world war. And they don't use "revisionist" in a neutral sense. Its got the halo of a saint or the taint of a heretic about it. Fifelfoo 06:40, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The use of the word has declined among historians for the reasons stated in the paragraph. Adam 06:56, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Its current amongst WWI, Hitler/German studies in terms of the debate about volition and social structuration of the holocaust. Its current in Vietnam studies, and certainly in Eastern European studies. Additionally, there was no stain amongst the historians I've practiced with. What's your experience base? Fifelfoo 22:39, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sufficient to avoid debating with people who use words like "historiology" and "structuration." Adam 02:44, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sloppy

This article is sloppy. The stuff about Marxist governments should be condensed into a single paragraph. Shorne 01:40, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The stuff about Marxist governments is one of the best descriptions of the use of the term revisionism within socialism. Each instance of the use of the term is seperate and specific. Collapsing them would be terrible, as the significant differences would be obliterated.Fifelfoo 02:08, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Suggesting that these are distinct senses of the word, however, is misleading. How about a separate section: "Revisionism in Marxism"? Shorne 02:16, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

We seem to have the same idea. (Great minds think alike, eh?) Thanks for the change. Shorne 02:21, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Indeed! An excellent solution all-round :) Fifelfoo 05:55, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bias?

"This usage has declined amongst some historians because within the field of Holocaust studies revisionism has come to specifically designate historical or pseudo-historical work which aims to deny the extent of the Jewish Holocaust. More generally, revisionism is used by non-historians as a pejorative term for biased historical work which denies that some past events took place. See historical revisionism. "

I wonder who is really biased here. The author of the quote or the revisionists. By George...

Appeasement, Widerstand and Vatican Revisionism

I invite you and your fellow editors in the field of revisionism to take note of revisionism here on the WP . I would class this revisionism as being Widerstand revisionism because as with most such revisionism , a particular papal revisionism over-laps in purpose with volumes produced by widerstand historians . I am particularly unhappy at the Church affiliated revisionism cleansing the WP of reference to Papal involvement in German Weimar politics . I am not a historian , but if I were and I had cited myself, I would be erased . I cannot claim a reticence on my part to verbosity of challenge , but a more than cursory visit to the discussion page on Hitler's Pope would apprise you of the historical focus , and of the moral consequences . I assume your involvement upon the 'revisionism' pages means that you are interested in confronting it. My tuppence worth on the WP - I bet freely , and I take responsibility for pushing WP editing parameters towards the illegal :Copyright use . I have been forced as nearly as possible to paraphrase texts and then include clearly highlighted fair-use quotes . This is not holocaust denial , but is in parallel . Widerstand revisionism is the revisionism which suggests that the Allies in WWII, particularly Churchill, were responsible for prolonging the war and thus consciously implicated in the holocaust . It salves the German national conscious by suggesting allied deafness towards reasonable widerstand offers of 1938 to 1943 . None of these offers were reasonable and all expected a territorial aggrandisement into Austro-hungarian territories and Poland . The scandal on the Allied side is that appeasing forces entertained them sufficiently as to lead to the war , whilst international industrial forces actively promoted anti-democratic force. The vatican appeasement of 32-33 was followed by a crashing silence which subsists up to this day . I will if I am allowed post these important subjects under appropriate heading here .Fiamekeeper 07:32, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)