Talk:R. J. Rummel
From Academic Kids
- References to Rummel often cite his allegations as referring to mass murder, but his definition is not so limited.
I have no idea why this is in the intro paragraph. Is someone saying that Rummel's findings are incorrect? Mere "allegation"?
And why bring up the "mass murder" definition? It smells like a red herring.
If "references ... often cite" then it should be easy to supply a couple of them. Then we can repair this sentence and put it back into the article. --Uncle Ed 16:53, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Germans 1945/47 How realiable are Rummels calculations)?
One example from [1] (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB7.1.GIF)
Rummel states in row 304 that the pre war population of the former German
provinces was 6500/9000/10000 thousand people low/middle/high
Evacuation row 321 4000//5000 with 618 dead
Remaining population was row 317 100/617/1134
Found in W.Germany row 346 6000/6944/7400
Crude deficit of population he estimated in 319 meaning rows 307-317
6400/8383/8866
How he could calculate that number? My understanding that the proper caluclation is:
pre-war population of 9000 with error margin 2500
remaining 617 with error margin 517
gross deficit is 8383 with error margin 3017
So his number is obviously guesswork.
Another Rummel calculation:
Now he drops his numbers and use another set:
All kinds of migration to Germany row 338 7017/7144/8369
Then he substracts those who reached Germany row 346 again 6000/6944/7400
Deficit according to him is row 349 200/969/1017
I would calculate 7144 with error margin 1225
minus 6944 with error margin 944 and
the result is obviously 200 with error margin 2169!
His number is obviuosly wrong!
In addition it is not clear wether he included the Jews killed during holocaust / I would reserve at least 100 000 killed, Poles and other minorities sent to concentration camps 100 000 is also good estimate /soldiers killed in action at least 500 000 / victims of bombing of the cities I don|t know how many/ his number of victims of evacuation 618 000/ deported to USSR around 200 000 and so on.
By the way, according to Polish sources Polish citizenship was granted to around 1 500 000 former Germans, not 200 000 Rummel claims, and it is obviuosly true, since the emigration of ethnic Germans from Poland continued since 1945. I read recently, that in 1980/ties emigrated 1 000 000 of people on the status of ethnic Germans.
I am going to remove Rummel numbers, since they are obviously not relaible Cautious 21:07, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No wars between democracies
- According to his analysis, of 353 wars since 1816, none have been waged between democracies. "We have a solution for war," Rummel says. "It is to expand the sphere of liberty."
What about the American Civil War, Anglo-Irish War and the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971? Philip Baird Shearer 21:00, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Pakistan was a military dictorship, not a democracy in 1971. A.S.B.
Than you for that information how about Second Boer War? Philip Baird Shearer 09:25, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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