Talk:Psychotherapy

From Academic Kids

"This modality is particularly common in those parts of the world where psychotherapy is influenced by the demands of insurance companies."

What does that mean? כסיף Cyp 10:15 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Contents

1 Rogerian psychotherapy 2 Rational emotive therapy 3 Obsoletism 4 Massage vs bodywork 5 A thought

Rogerian psychotherapy

Can't something be said about this type of psychotherapy? Having a redirect to the main psychotherapy article is a bummer since it doesn't describe it at all. —Frecklefoot 17:22, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

In the list of types of psychotherapy, it lists "Rogersian" psychotherapy, which redirects to Carl Rogers, the inventor of Rogerian psychotherapy. I'm going to change the Rogerian psychotherapy redirect to a redirect to Carl Rogers, since it seems like that article is more useful to people looking up Rogerian psychotherapy. —AaronW 19:01, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Rational emotive therapy

I changed "rational emotive behaviour psychotherapy" to "rational emotive behavior therapy" simply because the link already exists, although this only redirects to Cognitive_therapy, of which REBT is a type. I think a separate enty should be considered because the information required for a good stub is already in Albert_Ellis, although I would be inclined to include the concept that REBT confronts patients with their irrational beliefs, and I would also suggest checking the information at http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/ellis.html for a good outline. In the meantime, a redirect to Albert_Ellis might be preferable. The rearrangement involved is more than a total newbie such as myself should be trusted with.

Obsoletism

Can we move away from having an article that's very heavy on "alternative psychotherapy" (gestalt, rolfing, etc.) and expand towards a more realistic representation? There's a single paragraph about Cognitive-behavioral psych that mentions treating a "number of symptoms", but no mention of the fact that this is basically an Individual Treatment Plan, and almost every single psychotherapy client is required to have one, not just those being "constrained" by private insurance companies. Even clients without insurance ("self-pay clients") will have treatment plans at all CMHCs, and with most private providers as well. We might do well to split off and have a "history of..." article if it's important to have Freudian psychotherapy and the like in here, but the use of such obsolete modalities is exceptionally small relative to more modern techniques that I don't think it should have more than a quick reference here on this article. Any thoughts, counterarguments? siafu 20:53, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If you've got the energy and knowledge then go ahead. This articles been stuck for a long time . Lumos3 11:55, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe rolfing and others could be moved to the List of techniques used, Gestalt, however is still a widely used modality, just as is logical positivism which is at the base of many modalities, ie: PCT. I do agree that the list is stretching. # chance0(talk (http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/User_talk:Chance0))

Massage vs bodywork

Many relaxation techniques are used in an Individual Treatment Plan, massage tharapy is one such type, so prob deserves a space, both here and on the massage page. I think that adding 'bodywork' might be confuse.. maybe with autobodywork (unless the stub makes it clear what is meant by the term. # chance0(talk (http://academickids.com/encyclopedia/index.php/User_talk:Chance0))

Unfortunately, since "massage" is not covered by insurance (including medicare and medicaid in the US), especially not for treatment of mental illness, its use as a psychotherapeutic technique is exceptionally limited. That is, only those who are willing and able to pay the full fee (~US$80-$200/hour) and who believe in the psychotherapeutic value of massage (very small subset of the above) would contract it. I think, if anything, it should be made clear in this article, if its to be included, that this sort of treatment has a "fringe" status similar to homeopathy or other more accepted "alternative" treatments.

Also, it should be noted that other physical treatments, like ECT for example (which IS covered by major medical) are not listed on this page because, presumably, they are "physical therapy" not "psychotherapy". "Massage therapy", as much as such a thing exists, might also be subject to the same distinction. siafu 18:50, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I did say 'Many relaxation techniques are used in an Individual Treatment Plan, massage tharapy is one such type' and as a part of the Treatment Plan would be covered by the major "Modality" as well as paid for ... think ??

I know you said that, but the fact is that just because something is put on the ITP and signed off on does not mean that any insurance company is compelled to pay for it. One could write "slaphappy facial therapy" on an ITP, have it signed, and it would be "valid", as a treatment plan though someone at the medicaid office would have a laughing fit if one attempted to bill for it. siafu 20:42, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A thought

would something kike this work better??

psychotherapy

Psychodynamic;

Freudian,

Adlerian,

Jungian,

Kleinian,

Self-psychology etc.

Systemic (including Family Psychotherapy);

Behavioural;

Humanistic;

Client-Centred,

Gestalt,

Transactional Analysis

Somatic

Reichian,

neo-Reichian,

Bio-dynamic,

Bioenergetic,

Biosynthesis,

Hakomi

Body psychotherapy’

Body therapy;’

Feldenkrais,

Alexander Technique,

Rolfing,

Hellerwork,

Biodynamic massage

Psychotherapy;

Transpersonal.

etc

I like this approach, but any ideas on how to implement it in the article? Perhaps we could use them as sub headings in the list of modalities. Lumos3 20:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think this is a better approach, also, but the list is still rather incomplete (Interpersonal? DBT? CBT?). Also, Feldenkrais (in particular) et. al don't belong in an article on psychotherapy, being massage therapies; psychotherapy has a bit more of a narrow definition, IMHO. siafu 22:16, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes it is incomplete, very. I just put it forward as a possible form that might include the modalities as well as the stubs used for relaxation, particularly ones that assist in the alignment of neurological pathways, but thats another review.... Now, I was just wondering if we could use such a form...
thanks
As for the listing of any particular item we can notice that 'Feldenkrais (in particular) et. al' are rightly listed under Somatic/Body therapy/. We might want to consider if Somatic types should be included or not, perhaps they would best be suited for the (natural healing arts)