Talk:Phenomenology
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Phenomenology is:
A) an administrative way of getting alternative views; B) a behavioural response to personal stimuli; C) a computable way of formating or viewing things from an indididual's perspective; E) an empiricist way of validating one's thoughts; I) an ideal way of formating personal attributes; P) a phenomenologist way of viewing things from a mental view; S) a solipsist way of viewing how one's view of one's world affects one;
This is a strange sort of article. Is is possible to have a more conventional sort of write-up, too?
The concept of phenomenology was used in philosophy before Husserl. Hegel's main book is entitled "Phenomenology of Mind" where he says all philosophy is an exploration of consciousness. Brianshapiro
The article reads a little like a quick biography of Husserl. As well as Brian Shapiros point that Hegel was an important influence there is little on Heidegger's role and nothing whatsoever on Maurice Merleau-Ponty. I'd like to see a broadening of the article to cover more of the variation within phenomenology. This might also better elucidate the common unifying themes that help define the school. Dr Headgear April 1 2004
A proposal to relaborate the page (by Dr Headgear & Cat):
- I've broken it into sections instead of list items --Dr Headgear 15:01, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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Definition of Phenomenology
is a current of philosophy that takes intuitive experience of phenomena (what presents itself to us in conscious experience) as its starting point and tries to extract the essential features of experiences and the essence of what we experience.Origins of Phenomenology
Edmund Husserl is regarded as the founding father of phenomenology, though certain key concepts, such as intentionality were inherited from the work of Franz Brentano.
Historical overview of the use of the term.
Oetinger, Lambert, Kant, Hegel, Husserl, Stumpf, Heidegger etc. modern use ties it more explicitly to the phenomenological method as originally espoused by Husserl.
original development of ph.by Husserl
The phenomenological method
Key concepts and standpoints in phenomenology
Phenomenological reduction (for Husserl and for Heidegger)
- Do we need to dwell on the differences here, or can we find a core similarity in something like epoché? Dr Headgear
- Heidegger himself puts it this way: For Husserl the phenomenological reduction is the method of leading phenomenological vision from the natural attitude of the human being whose life is involved in the world of things and persons back to the transcendental life of consciousness and its noetic-noematic experiences, in which objects are constituted as correlates of consciousness. For us phenomenological reduction means leading phenomenological vision back from the apprehension of a being, whatever may be the character of that apprehension, to the understanding of the being of this being (projecting upon the way it is unconcealed).
- Thats a nice quote, though I was thinking of the procedure of reduction rather than it's aims, if the two can be adequately seperated. --Dr Headgear 16:57, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Heidegger himself puts it this way: For Husserl the phenomenological reduction is the method of leading phenomenological vision from the natural attitude of the human being whose life is involved in the world of things and persons back to the transcendental life of consciousness and its noetic-noematic experiences, in which objects are constituted as correlates of consciousness. For us phenomenological reduction means leading phenomenological vision back from the apprehension of a being, whatever may be the character of that apprehension, to the understanding of the being of this being (projecting upon the way it is unconcealed).
I suggest treating Husserl first, as he invented the procedure, and then treating Heidegger. Surely we can focus on the common elements, but we should be clear in pointing out the differences. Cat 15:53, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Agree, though I think that maybe we should merely name the differences here and elaborate them in the "Distinct Strands" section. But lets not get too hung up on structure, if there are natural places to say things then thats where they should be said. --Dr Headgear 16:57, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Intentionality
Rejection of Cartesian Dualism and Realism
- Does this fit well enough for both trans. and ext. Ph. ? Dr Headgear
Distinct strands of phenomenological thought
- I dont think these should necessarily have seperate pages, rather a few paragraphs on each. --Dr Headgear 15:01, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Well, Munich phenomenology rejected Husserl's later transcendental turn, so they are fundamentally different. However, we do not need to decide this now. We should rather start working on them as sections within the phenomenology article and see later on whether they need an article of their own. Cat 15:49, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- OK, agreed, lets write and see what comes out. --Dr Headgear 16:53, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Well, Munich phenomenology rejected Husserl's later transcendental turn, so they are fundamentally different. However, we do not need to decide this now. We should rather start working on them as sections within the phenomenology article and see later on whether they need an article of their own. Cat 15:49, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Transcendental phenomenology
Munich phenomenology
Existential phenomenology
Existential phenomenology differs from transcendental phenomenology by it's rejection of the transcendental ego. Merleau-Ponty objects to the ego's transcendence of the world, which for Husserl leaves the world spread out and completely transperent before the concious. Heidegger thinks of conscious being as always and already in the world. Transcendence is maintained in existential phenomenology to the extent that the method of phenomenology must take a presuppositionless starting point - transcending claims about the world arising from, for example, natural or scientific attitudes or theories of the ontological nature of the world.
- I'd suggest adding to all of this, something about the general influence of phenomenology and its relationship to other streams of thought, e.g. structuralism, poststructuralism, analytic philosophy, consciousness studies. Mporter 01:56, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I took the liberty of moving the link to phenomenology (science) down to the bottom of the page, as I see no reason to display it so prominently. As is clear from the article itself, scientists do not even agree among themselves what this phenomenology would be. Most readers looking for information on phenomenology are probably interested in the common usage of this term, which refers to Husserl's philosophy. Cat 17:16, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
