Talk:Passphrase
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The second and third paragraphs seem to be an exact copy of the section "What is a passphrase?" from http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html. The copyright for that page states, in part, "The author hereby grants rights for free, non-commercial, electronic distribution, with attribution, of this entire text or just the Diceware word list.", with emphasis on entire.
- Your right; in fact, the original version — as of 15:05, 27 Nov 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Pass_phrase&oldid=448761) — is even more similar. I suggest we just merge the ideas into Password, as a pass phrase is just a type of password. — Matt 09:12, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
- Matt, True enough. But not to users. Choosing a pass phrase is rather different than choosing a password, the security implications can be rather different, and so on. I would advocate cross links and two articles despite the conceptual identity from particular perspectives. Thoughts in response? ww 14:29, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
- I don't see any major differences in concept. In both cases you avoid guessable passwords, try not to write it down on bits of paper and stick them on the monitor, and have a tension between entropy and memorability. A passphrase just has a special form. We already have the line "Passcode is sometimes taken to imply that the information used is purely numeric, such as the PIN commonly used for ATM access." in Password; why not append "A Passphrase is a long password, usually formed from a sequence of words."? — Matt 16:12, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
- Matt, No conceptual difference, I agree. The precedent of passcode here is unconvincing. (Perhaps I should done a wig whilst pronouncing on questions of precedent, or at least judicial robes?) I like the 'tension between entropy and memorability' phrase, though. Nice job. The 'special form' of a pass phrase is sufficiently distinct, I think. Cross refs are certainly in order and your sentence would be quite appropriate in making the point of no conceptual difference. However, choosing a pass phrase is rather different than choosing a password or passcode and readers should, I think, learn of this. As it stands the article doesn't do a good job of covering this, nor does password. On my list of course......
- The reason I argue for a separate article is not conceptual difference (as there is none in my view, nor in yours; nor anybody's I would imagine) but practical difference to users. I think enough difference to justify 2 articles. ww 18:13, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
- Matt, No conceptual difference, I agree. The precedent of passcode here is unconvincing. (Perhaps I should done a wig whilst pronouncing on questions of precedent, or at least judicial robes?) I like the 'tension between entropy and memorability' phrase, though. Nice job. The 'special form' of a pass phrase is sufficiently distinct, I think. Cross refs are certainly in order and your sentence would be quite appropriate in making the point of no conceptual difference. However, choosing a pass phrase is rather different than choosing a password or passcode and readers should, I think, learn of this. As it stands the article doesn't do a good job of covering this, nor does password. On my list of course......