Talk:Passion

From Academic Kids

I have removed the following from the article:

Once associated with sin and crime, the concept of passion as wholehearted devotion to an idea or to an ideology has become part of the stock-in-trade of New Agers wishing to gush about their fashionable fads. Business managers, defining a mythical ideal employee, now demand passionate commitment. The emotional intensity-level of teenagers has replaced the detached realism of sober rational adults as a societal aspiration in some such circles.

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To me, this looks like yet another anti-new age rant - do New Age-ists really use the word in a way any different to anybody else - combined with a bit of social misanthropy. Charming, but not for the wikipedia, methinks. --Camembert

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OK, now I see why crime was added. Should have read the talk before I edited the article. I will remove both love and crime.

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If I understand Etymonline (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=passion) correctly, already in Late Latin there were two different meanings of "passio":

• suffering, enduring; from Latin pati
• intense emotion; from rendering Greek pathos. Attested usage of "passion" meaning emotion in English from 1374.

In short: not all meanings derive from the former. --Nikai

"Late Latin" means 4th century and later Latin, the Latin of the Christianized Empire of Late Antiquity. I am restoring the accurate information that was deleted by Nikai. On the whole, the better sort of Wikipedians delete with a cautious hand. --Wetman 14:32, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

1. You apparently don't accept the fact that there is more than one source (one Latin, one Greek), but you didn't care to explain why. The point, by the way, is only that there is more than one source. If you did accept this, we would agree that the last sentence of the first paragraph, which you just restored, is plain wrong.

You've misread Etymonline (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=passion), which explicitly states that passio is a Late Latin rendering of Greek pathos. Pathos is just not part of the etymology of passio in the sense that this article discusses. No real need to reach for possible proto-Indo-European roots either. (Wetman 20:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC))

1. I object to the language used in the first paragraph. I feel offended by the term "informal or colloquial context". This sentence gives the impression that the use of "passion" in any other context than the suffering of Jesus would be somehow incorrect.

It's just a clarifying remark that would send a reader who's looking for other meanings back to Passion (disambiguation), which makes it all plain and clear. (Wetman 20:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC))

1. I object to the naming of the article. In my opinion "passion" should be a disambiguation page, primarily because of people who unsuspectingly link to "passion" in another context than the suffering of Jesus.
2. I disagree with you in respect to editing style. I remove information which I consider wrong, one time, and will continue to do so. However, I don't fight. You reverted me twice. I didn't revert you. If I feel offended by your content, others may feel similarly. Maybe one of them is more passionate about it. No need to waste any more of my time. Have a nice day.--Nikai

The better sort of Wikipedians realize that sometimes what one "considers wrong" might possibly be misinformed. When one realizes that, one does what one can to set things right. (Wetman 20:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC))

Nikai is right that there's no need to double-disambiguate the word. This article only describes the passion of Jesus, and once the dab notice is there, there's no reason to mention it again in the opening paragraph. —Wahoofive | Talk 06:44, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)