Talk:October Revolution
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Clearly not a NPOV - nonsensical to describe the Bolshevik seizure of power as a 'coup' (i.e. seizure of power by an unrepresentative clique). The Bolshevik party had gained majorities in the Soviets, and Russia was in a state of revolutionary ferment. Suggest the use of a neutral term such as "uprising" or "insurgency".
- Until 1930s bolshevik's offical term was "October Coup" - Октябрьский переворот. Mikkalai 17:47, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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Section: Criticism of October Revolution
IMO this section is out of topic. THis criticism is related to the Sovieu Union or Communism or whatever, but it cannot be criticim of an event. How can you criticise an event? You can criticize opinions, not facts. I say, this section must be moved into a more appropriate article (although I strongly suspect that the "appropriate articles" are full of criticism already, so just delete). Mikkalai 17:55, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Removed (its copy is below). Please find an appropriate place for it. One cannot criticize history. Mikkalai 00:43, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I agree very much. I am sorry, I didn't notice your note above of January 16th. I could have deleted it myself, instead of putting time into stupid work. /Tuomas 00:54, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Criticism of the Bolshevik Revolution
For many Western Conservatives and Liberals, the Bolshevik Revolution marked a threatening development, potentially the first step towards world revolution In their eyes, the Bolshevik Revolution echoed the atrocities of the French Revolution and signified the rise of what former U.S. President Ronald Reagan ultimately called an "evil empire". Conservatives, Liberals, and many Social Democrats saw this regime as one that needed to be rolled back if Western democracies, or the Free World, were to survive. This was maybe most clearly expressed by ardent Anti-communists of authoritarian, semi-fascist, fascist, and nazi organisations, who considered democracy and parliamentarism as the first steps on the roads towards Communism. Such organizations came to play political roles in the neighbouring countries but also in Hungary, Croatia, Italy, Germany, and Spain; however, ardent anti-communism occured also in for instance Britain, France, and Scandinavia.
The victorious WWII alliance between the Soviet Union and UK/US led to a brief reverse of anti-communism, that however soon would be restored by the Cold War and McCarthyism. During the Cold War, the components of geo-political competition between the Soviet Union and the US-led Western World was combined with the previous more ideological aversion against Communism. Socialists were in the West countered by criticism against their support for a Socialist revolution, or reforms, that according to the critics couldn't be combined with democracy and necessarily would lead to totalitarianism, just as the example of the October Revolution proved.
A perceived Soviet expansionism was met by a policy of containment and isolation; and in democracies where Socialists had risen to threatening political power, these democracies were often overtrown by anti-communists receiving different degrees of support from the West. At the end of the Cold War the "Reagan Doctrine", was carried out by US support to insurgent groups fighting Soviet client states, many of which groups were similarly authoritarian or fascist in their ideological views, as had many anti-communist organizations of the interbellum been.
Mikkalai 00:43, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Trotsky's shout
In the article, it says "yes, walk out, go ahead, leave, you are entering the dust heap of society.". Wasn't it "yes, walk out, go ahead, leave, you are entering the dust heap of HISTORY?
According to Trotsky's My Life: Go to the place where you belong from now on the dust-bin of history!”
Led by Trotsky:
see article Lev Trotsky ... and was Chair of the Revolutionary Military Committee that planned and implemented the October Revolution.
- While your point is interesting and deserves proper attention, please keep in mind that being chair of some committee does not mean being main leader. In military the chief of General Staff (what in fact was RMC) is not at all the main commander, it is simply the position of the chief advisor to the commander. I am "spoiled" by Soiet propaganda, so I don't know to what degree you are right (the role of Trotsky was severely downgraded), and I will not change your change now, but I bet some others will find it suspicious. Mikkalai 16:35, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I agree, some will find it suspicious, indeed. Actually, Lenin arrived in Petrograd in October 24th, after three-and-half months exile in Finland. Lenin was not even a member of the Revolutionary Military Committee.
- You got it wrong. Lenin returned from emigration on April 16. Finland was part of Russia, and it was in 2 hours away from Petrograd. And it was not "exile", just hiding in the bushes. 17:01, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I figured it out at last: it was someone's erroneous guesswork about the Revolutionary Military Council in Trotsky's article. Mikkalai 16:50, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The date
Doesn't October 25, 1917 in the Julian calendar correspond to November 7, 1917 in the Gregorian calendar?? What am I missing? Lupo 10:03, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
