Talk:Marija Gimbutas

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Will someone please look at this. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that this is plagiarized from somewhere. This is not Helga's English. It reads more like the blurb on a book. Danny

Oh, and it also says nothing. What does "a different way of life of possible" mean? Danny

"Trying for some NPOV here"=

That's the title User:DreamGuy gives to the following edit:

Gimbutas' theories are supported by a number of auhtors in the Neopagan movement, although her conclusions are generally considered highly speculative and unsupported at this time by most scholars.

Does this sound like neutrality? Why not actually quote some critics of Gimbutas? --Wetman 03:46, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like neutrality... It's the showing two sides of the issue, instead of just all these great things somebody thought up about Gimbutas about how she was revolutionary and loved by everyone, which is NPOV and untrue. It's certainly a lot better than not mentioning it at all in the entire article. Yes, quoting critics of Gimbutas would be even better, and so would rewriting a lot of the rest of it, but this is definitely a step in the right direction. Otherwise it's an entire article written solely from a Gimbutas supporter's viewpoint. DreamGuy 04:47, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Who would those of you who have read anything by Gimbutas say is Gimbutas' most creditable critic, and what is the basis of his criticism? This is the kind of material that more properly belongs in the entry. --Wetman 05:56, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This same User is back, after an enforced Time Out, inserting his unsupported personal opinion in phrases like "her final book The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which presented an overview of her speculations about Neolithic cultures," and "Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal cultural elements, which she claimed fused to form the classical European societies". In a context of the article Marija Gimbutas, which already specifies these are Gimbutas' views, this is a disservice to the reader, quite as unnecessary as inserting "the alleged Resurrection" into articles on theology. Some quotes from specific ctitics would be useful, but User:DreamGuy has never actually read any of them. --Wetman 00:31, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There was no "enforced Time Out" of any sort, and your attempts to bad mouth me everytime I make a correction to an article you contributed to are getting very tired. It is by no means an unsupported personal opinion to point out that her claims of there being a Great Goddess are claims and speculation and not fact. You may have decided she was right, but the archeological community has not. She has theories, and not very well supported ones. Trying to remove language that clarifies that fact is highly biased. The only reason you find them unnecessary is because you disagree with them. And your claims that I have not read books on the topic is yet another in a long series of things you've invented up in your head to give yourself an excuse for disliking someone who is just improving articles you'd rather have stay written the way you made them. DreamGuy 16:24, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

(No problem with this person nor with most of his edits, actually. Pushing a second-hand revisionist-groupie personal point-of-view as "the archaeological community" is unhelpful, even if I were to do it. Absolutely nothing personal. Quotes from Gimbutas might encourage us to think DreamGuy has read her. Her over-the-top statements could easily be taken out of context to discredit her, far more effectively. "She has theories, and not very well supported ones" is fatuous, in the standard meaning of the word. Non one can blame us for wondering what's really up with this? --Wetman 21:06, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC) )