Talk:Manila

I would just like to question the change to this page as a disambiguation page. It seems that when you talk about "Manila" it almost always refers to the capital. If you look at the articles in Wikipedia, most of them refer to the capital. —seav

I agree. Tuf-Kat

Actually, if you look at the what links here (http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Manila) page of Manila, it shows that most link to Manila, Philippines. Besides, shouldn't it be a consistent policy that whenever disambiguation pages are needed, the title "Foo" is for the disambiguation page, and "Foo, specifier" or "Foo (specifier)" for the actual pages? That would be unambiguous. The problem is that otherwise you would have to define just how large the 'majority' has to be to reserve title "Foo" for one of the specific meanings, and worse yet, it's likely to change as articles are added. The Wikipedia:Disambiguation page is not entirely clear on the issue. --- Timo Honkasalo 09:49 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

Ah..., but you haven't got the whole story. During the time you moved Manila to Manila, Philippines, almost all of the pages which linked to Manila indeed linked there. So I posted the above clarification instead of moving it back immediately in order to facilitate discussion. One of the biggest issues was that you would have to change all the links in most of those articles to remove the spurious "(Redirected from Manila)" notice when a user followed that link.

A day after you made the move, a helpful user went about and did exactly that—changing all the links to point to Manila, Philippines. I talked to him and he thoroughly agreed that Manila is better than Manila, Philippines, so I moved it back. He said he will probably undo all his changes if ever he had nothing to do.

Regarding Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Disambiguation policy, it's very clear about the so called "primary topic" disambiguation (see the third bullet in the first list of the policy page). Basically it says that if a term is almost always used to refer to a particular object or thing or person, not just in Wikipedia but moreso in general, then that object/thing/person gets the primary article.

That is why we have Paris instead of Paris, France. Almost all instances of Paris refer to the city. There are only a few that refer to Paris (mythology) of the Trojan War or any of the other towns named Paris.

Now, going back to Manila, I'm quite sure that when you use the term Manila it would mean the city probably 90% of the time in general. Manila hemp, Manila envelope or even the various Manila towns in the US won't be referred to that much (and you almost always disambiguate them like Manila, Utah to avoid confusion). Even Manila hemp was named that because of the city. So I believe that Manila, the capital of the Philippines, is a good candidate for "primary topic" disambiguation.

Besides, I won't expect people to create new Manila, Philippines links and get the spelling of the country right. Even you yourself misspelled it as Filippines.

—seav

Ok, I'm convinced. And sorry about not changing the links, I'll be wiser in the future. And since the whole mess is my doing, I'm going to do the Manila, Philippines->Manila changes myself. --- Timo Honkasalo

Official Website of Manila's problem

Sorry if this seems to be out of topic. I'm Mozilla Firefox user, and the official website of Manila requires me to have Internet Explorer installed, how do I overcome this problem? - w3bu53r

I don't have problems seeing it and I use Firefox. What problems are you encountering? --seav 21:53, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The website denied my access into the main site, it redirected my browser into a special page that basically asks me to have Internet Explorer installed first. - w3bu53r

Well, I clicked on the "View Intro" link, then clicked on the "Enter Site" link. Will that work for you? --seav 21:39, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That does the trick. Thanks.

University of Santo Tomas

Anyone familiar with this university, please offer your opinions at Talk:University of Santo Tomas, regarding a long slow-motion edit war. -- Curps 00:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)