Talk:List of national anthems
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Not national anthems, GSTK/Q
Several of the "national anthems" listed here are not national anthems. Scotland, Basque, American Samoa, and many others are not nations in any way. They may have songs with the same status in that area, but they're not really national anthems. Otherwise, I could also add the anthems for all Dutch provinces, and no doubt many US states also have anthems. I suggest we make a different page for them, possibly at the already existing patriotic songs.
Also, the claim about God Save the King/Queen being the oldest national anthem also is weird. Many songs that are now national anthems are (based on) songs that originate before the 18th century. It could be that GSTK/Q was the first song to be officially called a national anthem, but the text itself says it was never officially adopted! Can anybody clarify this situation? Jeronimo 06:47 Aug 26, 2002 (PDT)
- Scotland, Basque, American Samoa, and many others are not nations in any way.
- Well, actually, yes they are:
- nation, 1. A body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own.
- Both the Scots and the Basques, not to mention the Catalans and a few others on this list, are nations. What they are not is independent states. I think mention of officially recognized patriotic songs thereof (for example, the Generalitat de Catalunya has officially proclaimed Els Segadors the Catalan anthem) is appropriate for this list. However, I have italicized entities that are not independent states. - Montréalais
Jana-Gana-Mana
Why is Jana-Gana-Mana hyphenated? Jana, gana, mana are separate words unlike Sorood-e, etc. which are arabic/urdu/similar words which are usually hyphenated in English -- Paddu 15:43 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Lack of Yugoslavia
Why have East Germany but not Yugoslavia? Both are just ex-nations -- Paddu 15:16 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Dependencies
I think for better clarity, dependencies should be listed right after the country they're part of.
In addition, dependencies that don't have an anthem different from their mother countries' should be taken off the list--make it shorter. --Jiang 08:28 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Why? Wiki is not paper! -- Cymydog Naakka 18:53, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
- We're not unlimited in what we put. Why put in useless info? --Jiang 23:48, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Naming of anthem articles
Naming of articles: Should we keep all these anthems under their foreign transliterated titles or use the English translation? (like how is now done for the Greek national anthem, but not for the vast majority...) --Jiang
I find it odd that the anthem pages are listed by title rather than Nation_national_anthem. Just a thought. Kitwe
It's not odd. They are songs in their own right as well as anthems, and at least La Marseillaise and God Save The Queen have been the anthems of multiple countries. Sometimes they have a history before their use as an anthem. Maybe you could put in redirects if you think it's confusing. --ihatepotsmokinghippies 10:58, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Anthems of the British Isles
Land of Hope and Glory is not the English 'national anthem'. As the article correctly states, a national anthem is a state-recognised song. (1) England as a state could not have had LoHaG because it wasn't composed for nearly 200 years after England ceased to be a state; (2) LoHaG has never had state recognition since. It is an English 'patriotic song', maybe the premier one. It could be described as an anthem as it has been used as such on sporting occasions but it never has been a state anthem and never received state recognition as such, which is the elementary requirement for a 'national anthem'.
- In that case, most countries don't even have a national anthem. Finland, for instance. Maamme is de facto the Finnish national anthem, but as it does not have state recognition, it is by your definition not a national anthem. Still it is always listed as one. -- Cymydog Naakka 18:53, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
The Londonderry Air has never been a Northern Irish anthem. Like LoHaG it is simply a 'patriotic song', not a national anthem. FearÉIREANN 02:40, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- And the Welsh anthem? --Jiang
If it has been officially recognised by the Welsh Assembly or by the Secretary of State for Wales, and/or used at state occasions then it is a national anthem, if not, it is a patriotic song or colloquial anthem, but not a national anthem. I honestly don't know if it has been. :-)
- What songs do Scotland & Northern Ireland use at the Commonwealth games? Just wondering. - Efghij 18:39, Aug 24, 2003 (UTC)
According to [[1] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/article/0,2763,1104347,00.html)] page, _God Save the Queen_ was never actually adopted to be the official anthem of the United Kingdom. "Since it has never been officially adopted as the British national anthem, either by Act of Parliament or Royal Proclamation, nothing stands in the way of its banishment. Tradition is its only ally."
Ankh-Morpork
I removed the following entry:
Ankh-Morpork We can rule you wholesale?
because it is the anthem of a fictional country. Whether anthems of dependencies etc. should be on this list is debatable, but fictional anthems shoiuld definately be kept out. Wyllium 15:40, 2004 May 22 (UTC)
Terra Scania
I removed the entry for Terra Scania, Sång till Skåne (A song for Scania) because the territory has not been an independent entity since before the creation of this song. This makes it impossible for Sång till Skåne to have been the anthem even from a historical perspective. Rossami 14:43, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
UN/EU anthems?
I'd like to correct the sentence that mentions Beethoven's 9th, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to say. Beethoven's 9th is awfully long to use as an anthem. Mixing the declaration of one body's anthem and statements that other bodies have unofficial anthems is very confusing. Suggestions? Ventura 19:29, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)
- More correctly, it is the fourth movement of the symphony, without the German libretto, specifically the Karajan arrangement. Chris 20:46, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Unofficial anthems or not?
The intro to this article says that non-independent areas are listed only if they have an official anthem. However, this policy is not being adhered to, as "Gens du Pays," a song sometimes regarded as Quebec's unofficial anthem, is listed. Could I get some help removing the non-official entries? - Montréalais 08:52, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
