Talk:Iroquois
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Note that the term "Native Americans" doesn't apply to Natives in Canada (such as the "Iroquois"). I've used "First Nations," which applies to both American and Canadian Aboriginals and is the name they often, (though not always), prefer, particularly in Canada.
Many of the First Nations call themselves by names other than the names we know. The use of the term "Iroquois," applied to the Haudenosaunee, is a case in point. The term was originally used by the Huron (Wendat) as an insult. The French (who were also enemies of the Haudenosaunee) picked up the term. Since it was an insult, rather than the name they called themselves, it is worth a paragraph IMHO. However, there are many cases where the name commonly used by English-speakers is not the one the people themselves use. It might be nice if we could come up with a convention for handling this. For the time being, I have simply put the alternative name in brackets. I would welcome any thoughts on how best to handle this. Sunray 21:46, 2003 Dec 8 (UTC)
I beg to differ. "First Nations" is never used to refer to American Native Americans. When I read that, I came here to ask if it should be changed, because, to me, it is specifically Canada-related. RickK 04:21, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
There are plenty of Iroquois in the US too. -- Decumanus 04:25, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I am completely aware of that. That's why I advocate changing First Nations to Native Americans. RickK 04:26, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I was agreeing you, not disputing you. Actually the term doesn't matter to me. The Iroquois I know happen call themselves "Indians", for what it's worth. This article is somewhat defective, however, in that "Iroquois" is certainly not synonomous with "Iroquois Confederacy", which was a specific political movement about Iroquois-speaking peoples. -- Decumanus 04:31, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- although you can argue that we say "France" the "French" are the same, so maybe it's appropriate to equate the two.
Decumanus, I am OK with most of your edit, but can't understand why you changed "upstate" to "western" New York. The Mohawk nation most definitely occupied eastern New York (the Hudson and Mohawk valleys), so "upstate" is therefore the more accurate term. Much of the territory occupied would be also described "central" NY; only the Senecas being truly in the western portion of the present state. Pollinator 22:45, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
- I'm chuckling a little. I live in Staten Island, so it's all "western New York" to me. Just perception, really. Your wording is defintely more accurate.:) -- Decumanus 23:21, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Haudenosaunee
I have added Haudenosaunee as the name for the Confederacy. I had always heard them as synonyms, as opposed to the definition of Haudenosaunee given on WP. Do these need to be merged?
Also, shouldn't this article be at Iroquois Confederacy? - BanyanTree 21:17, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Just merged it in. The Haudenosaunee article was only a facsimile of a more in depth paragraph in this entry. --Heah 07:24, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Invasion/Colonization
I changed this text: In 1720 the Tuscarora fled north from the European invasion of North Carolina and petitioned to become the Sixth Nation.
to this: In 1720 the Tuscarora fled north from the European colonization of North Carolina and petitioned to become the Sixth Nation.
The term "invasion" in this instance is POV, and less accurate than the term "colonization"
--Henrybaker 06:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
