Talk:Indian Removal
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This page should be renamed, I think. "Indian Removal" is not a proper name. I'm not sure what the title of the article should be, though. --LMS
Hmmmm. The Removal is the term my Cherokee friends use of the general phenomenon, while their own experience is more specifically called The Trail of Tears. --MichaelTinkler
"Indian Removal" is what historians call the process of moving various tribes from areas which had been taken over either by force or treaty by the U. S. and placed in an area usually less populated by U. S. citizens. It was predominant during the 1800s up to about the 1880s. Examples are the Cherokee tribe being moved from the southern Appalacians of Georgia, Alabama and North Carolina to what is now northeastern Oklahoma, the Apache being moved from Arizona to Oklahoma and New Mexico and the Osage from Kansas to Oklahoma. There is a good older book by Grant Foreman called Indian Removal in which he talks about the various tribes and their removals to the west. Unlike the article implies, it was more than just the Five Civilized Tribes which were involved.
There was a federal Indian Removal Act of 1830 which called for the removal of all eastern Indians. This policy was carried out both in the south and the north. The events in the south attracted more attention. However after the tribes were moved west of the Mississippi, with some exceptions (such as the movement of tribes from Kansas to the Indian Territory it is a stretch to say Indian Removal was the policy as it changed to one of establishing reservations. So the topic name is viable but applies to a limited period. Probably we should have done a Native American history topic rather than the diffuse set of topics we have come up with. User:Fredbauder
- "The horrible mistreatment of the indigenous population and the practice of slavery are considered two of the largest stains on the history of the United States. "
Considered by who ? There are many worse things they did, like in Hiroshima, Drezden and Vietnam. Taw 17:31 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Removed personal rant
I have removed this text, which was just a personal rant, neither NPOV nor appropriate for an encyclopedia unless it is somehow representative of large numbers of letters written by Indians forced to relocate. The Big Mountain information might well refer to a real event, but is not the same event as described in this article; I suggest moving it out to Big Mountain relocation if you can verify that it is real (I am too tired right now). It also needs some NPOV cleanup. I have left that part in the article for the time being. --Jkeiser 07:46, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
- Just LAST OCTOBER 2002, I was seized and put in handcuffs... [1] (http://mytwobeadsworth.com/DPatterson52203.html) AND WHAT WAS MY 'CRIME'? I spoke out against this US appointed dictator - and for that, I was sentenced to have my home destroyed and made a refugee from my homeland and was imprisoned , threatened with more imprisonment in US prisons until I gave this dictator permission to demolish my own privately bought home although it met all New York State safey housing codes. I stand here before you homeless and a refugee from my Haudenosaunee Homeland - being driven to seek aid from New York State until I can get asylum and assistance from the UN because I and my family are victims of the US policies against Indigenous Peoples.
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- Just LAST OCTOBER 2002, I was seized and put in handcuffs... [1] (http://mytwobeadsworth.com/DPatterson52203.html) AND WHAT WAS MY 'CRIME'? I spoke out against this US appointed dictator - and for that, I was sentenced to have my home destroyed and made a refugee from my homeland and was imprisoned , threatened with more imprisonment in US prisons until I gave this dictator permission to demolish my own privately bought home although it met all New York State safey housing codes. I stand here before you homeless and a refugee from my Haudenosaunee Homeland - being driven to seek aid from New York State until I can get asylum and assistance from the UN because I and my family are victims of the US policies against Indigenous Peoples.
Removed "see also"
While reorganizing this article, I removed these "see also" links:
These have ambiguous or tenuous relationships to Indian Removal. Consider apartheid: most Native Americans are essentially pro-apartheid. That is, they prefer to keep a distinct identity and a separate living area where a different set of race-based laws apply. Is that what is meant by this "see also" link, which links to an article almost exclusively about South Africa? It's hard to say. Cultural imperialism seems to have even less connection, since removal is essentially an opposite phenomenon. Genocide is a serious word that gets thrown around rather too freely; its use here is more understandable than the other links, but is still problematic: removal and destruction are not synonymous. After the many deaths from disease on the "Trail of Tears," for example, Cherokee population steadily increased. (Today the population is at least 20 times the pre-removal population.) Andrew Jackson believed that removal saved the "Five Civilized Tribes" from extinction; historian Robert Remini thinks he was right. Some experts might have argued that Indian Removal was genocidal; if so, that should be cited in the article, rather than in an ambiguous link. --Kevin Myers 00:05, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
