Talk:Identity politics

Karada takes no position

Note: I take no position on who is, or is not, oppressed by or oppressing anyone else. My focus here is: numerous identity-based political groups and movements exist: what have they in common? -- Karada 23:23, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)

What they all do have in common is only the desire to maintain and preserve their own separate group identities. What is actually "wrong" with that, as all such behavior actually only ensures "Bio-Diversity" over the long haul.

Kevin Alfred Strom, on the National Alliance's white separatist radio program American Dissident Voices, defined the difference between white separatism and supremacy this way:

"A supremacist—of whatever race—is distinct from a 'separatist.' A separatist may believe that his race is superior to other races in some or all characteristics, but this is not his essential belief. The separatist is defined by his wish for freedom and independence for his people. He wishes them to have their own society, to be led by their own kind, to have a government which looks out for their interests alone. The separatist does not wish to live in a multiracial society at all, so he naturally has no desire to rule over other races—since such rule necessitates the multiracial society the separatist wants to avoid at all costs." [1] (http://www.natvan.com/pub/012404.txt)

removal of internal links

Note: someone removed a number of examples of identity politics on the basis of their being "not examples of identity politics, but forms of bigotry". Yes, some forms of identity politics are based on bigotry (and may, indeed, consist entirely of bigotry and hatred in some cases): nevertheless, they are still forms of identity politics. -- Karada 13:44, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Those aren't actual examples of identity politics. No one recognizes them as such, not in any kind of formal or informal studies of the matter. Identity politics has to do with achieving equality due to discrimination based on certain types of identities. White supremacy does not seek equality in any way, shape or form nor does it deal with an oppressed group.

Furthermore, youre specifying specific sub-movements rather than general movements, that serves nothing other than to mislead. Notice how the majority of those are bigoted, even though statistically the non-bigoted groups clearly outnumber them by far. Even if you considered them to be part of identity politics, it's extremely POV to include them. It'd be like including a KKK political party along side the major political parties in a an article about political parties.

Lastly, religion and nationalism don't qualify for identity politics under any standard definition as they are both choices. Identity politics deals with things people are born into, not chosen beliefs. --Nathan J. Yoder 20:09, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Who considers themselves bigoted? I consider feminazis bigots, do they consider themselves such? Thats your opinion about who is bigoted. Racist parties are considered along w other parties BTW, look into Dixiecrat, for example. Religion and nation are often "born into", and your personal distinctions, arbitrary tho they are, should not be determining article content. See NPOV. Sam Spade 22:20, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Feminazis were never listed and you didn't address anything I actually said. You are strongly POV pushing here. Please don't vandalize the page unless you want to be reported to a wikipedia administrator, thank you. -Nathan J. Yoder 22:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh and religion and nationalism are not "born into." You can choose what nation you're a part of and what religion you're a part of. -Nathan J. Yoder 22:26, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That was your 4th revert, so i took the liberty of contacting an admin myself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Njyoder). Sam Spade 22:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I reverted 3 times, not 4. I've made a total of 4 edits and my first one was a major rewrite, not a revert. I await the admin to come here and address this false report you filed against me. -Nathan J. Yoder 22:37, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK, we discussed why I removed the report, if your still pissed about it feel free to take up a RfC or whatnot. Lets focus on the article here tho. Sam Spade 23:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)