Talk:Hatshepsut
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General Bias
I studied Hatshepsut last year and a problem was there were many historians biased against Hatshepsut. However that isn't the problem with this article, I got the feeling it is very heavily biased for her.
I am fairly certain some of the information in this article isn't widely believed by historians and is debated very heatedly amongst them. This article tends to only portray one side of the debate amongst historians. Perhaps people who know more about Hatshepsut and her reign could post more information about it? (I'll post what I can remember and when I have time what I can research, but I'm fairly busy so I thought I'd point out the bias as well).
Is this an incorrect use of the Discussion Page? --John Lynch 13:39, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Transgender Issue
The article originally had
- Her motivation for wearing men's clothing was political and not sexual.
I changed this to say some historians believe that it was political. Many historians (such as Gardner) believe the worst about Hatshepsut so they claim she wore men's clothing because she was a cross-dresser (I'm not saying cross dressing is bad, but the historians who claim this mean it in a derogatory way). Other historians such as Gae Callendar believe it was only political (I went to a lecture by her). I didn't include either of their names because I am only 80% sure they are the historians who believe as much. So I decided to speak in more general terms until someone can do some research on it.--John Lynch 02:58, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Mythology
I added in the version of her Divine Conception that I learnt. This page (http://www.maat-ka-ra.de/english/bauwerke/djeser/dj_portico_2_hall_birth.htm) has a much more detailed explanation, but it isn't one I learnt so I thought I would put it here until someone has a chance to verify it.--John Lynch 03:13, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I studied Hapshepsut last year and I found out that she was the first female pharoh of Egypt. She married her brothe Thutmose II. Thutmose II died leaving a son, Thutmose III, who was only 10 at the time. Thutmose III wasn't Hapshepsut's son, but he was the legal pharoh. Since he was too young to rule, Hapshepsut took his place. When Thutmose III was ready to rule, she refused his pharohship and continued ruling as pharoh. It was only after 20 years of her ruling that Thutmose III finally took over his rightful kingdom. When Hapshepsut died, all of her files mysteriously disappeard. All of her momunetal heads were beheaded and buried and all drawings of her scratched off. Historians still don't know who did this. Many guess it was jealousy form Thutmose III, or was it someone who didn't believe in woman ruling Egypt? Who knows? Maybe you do.
Nitocris claims
"...both of those honors belong to Nitocris of the Sixth dynasty. However, we are not 100% sure of Nitocris's rule, so Hatshepsut is the first woman to 100% sure take the title of Pharaoh."
I am removing these claims about Nitocris until, evidence is produced that she had herself crowned King of Egypt. Though we use the word Pharaoh to denote a ruler of Egypt, the term actualy comes into use only in the 19th dynasty, as the father (or head) of the Great House. Hatshepsut not only claimed to be queen regnant but to be the legitimate ruler of Egypt by taking the title King, there was no Egyptian equivalent of our word Queen, as in Queen Elizabeth I, only the Great Wife of Pharaoh. I have looked at various sources and none of them claim that Nitocris went any further in her claim to power, than Sobeknefru. Little is know, of Nitocris and some of what is known is wrong, Manetho's claim she built the third pyramid at Giza for example. Hatshepsut is currently one of the most popular Pharaohs in acedemia today, and I think given that her article is going to be in high demand we should be extra careful about the claims we make in it. After all this is supposed to beWikipedia:WikiProject_Ancient_Egypt's example article; and one we hope to eventually get featured status. -JCarriker 09:46, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
