Talk:Fidei defensor
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The Charles' title is "Defender of the Faiths", I think. And is it Fidei defensor or Defensor fidei. I find both forms in Google. It seems that FD is preferred in English and DF in other languages (!?) -- Error
- Charles has merely stated he'd like to change the title, it hasn't been changed, and neither version belongs to him yet. Word order doesn't matter in Latin, and that's the language it's in... -- Someone else 01:56 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- But word order does matter in Wikipedia and I don't know wheter I should move the page or make a redirection. -- Error
- Well, the Pope used "Fidei defensor". But you could always make a redirect from Defensor fidei if you like<G>. -- Someone else 03:34 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- That's what I asked. Are you sure about the Pope usage? -- Error
- You can see the original text of the bull at François Velde's Heraldica site. (http://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/royalstyle.htm) Because Latin uses suffixes to indicate grammatical case, the spelling changes, but it happens to use the F word before the D word, and when Parliament legislated the English and Latin styles of the various monarchs who have used the title, the Latin wording was "Fidei Defensor". -- Someone else 22:14 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- OK:
- Majestati tuae titulum hunc, videlicet Fidei Defensorem, donare decrevimus, prout te tali titulo per praesentes insignimus, mandantes omnibus Christifidelibus, ut Majestatem tuam hoc titulo nominent, & cum ad eam scribent, post dictionem Regi adjungant Fidei defensori.
- There's no arguing with Popes. Thank you for the pointer. -- Error
- OK:
The part on this apge about fidei defensor being the canon lawyer commonly known as the Devil's Advocate, I believe, is wrong. The official title for the Devil's Advocate is Promotor Fidei or Promotor of the Faith. The Defensor Fidei and Promotor Fidei are not the same thing. Check the Catholic Encyclopaedia for this one, for example.
- That checks out, so I'm moving it. (Next time, you can do that yourself, by the way.) -- Toby Bartels 16:08, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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Didn't the Holy Roman Emperor have a similar title to this too?