Talk:Electron orbital

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I realize that the whole Periodic Table argument may carry on indefinitely. I wonder if anyone can confirm whether there is any point in continuing the work I started below (or if it is even relevant):

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Well.... we already have several periodic tables elsewhere on Wikipedia. This article should be about Electron orbitals. -- Tarquin 19:32 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I should have made it more clear that I was proposing a format... I realize that the Periodic Table will contain slightly different information. -- sugarfish 19:44 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I certainly believe that tabular data belongs in the article, to show by element which orbitals are occupied. My own shoice would be to avoid repeating the standard periodic table and go with a simpler layout, with entries like 2-8-2. That said. we certinly need some kind of article and expansion of atomic shells. Keep up the good work, Lou I 19:51 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I've included enough information to explain the main points regarding the topic. The table needs some coloring I think, according to the periods that the elements belong to. Let me know -- sugarfish 08:31 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I like the vertical table with the orbital numbers. very nice! -- Tarquin 09:18 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

What's all this about K-Q? No class I've ever taken has used that nomenclature. It's simpler to index orbitals by principal quantum number <math>n<math>, so that "K" is 1, "L" is 2, "Q" is 7, etc.

Furthermore, it would be more enlightening to further separate the electron distributions by quantum number <math>l<math>, thus: 1s, 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d, etc.

Another question. This article seems woefully bare. I can't bring myself to believe that not a single one of the many Wikipedists with any chemistry education at all has noticed this article's pitiful condition. Unless someone explains to me exactly what is the matter here, and where the real article on electron orbitals lives, I'll have to redo this whole thing myself from the ground up. --Smack 21:50, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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revision

I've related the electron orbitals page properly to quantum mechanics and revised the page to make it focus on the generality of orbitals and link to wavefunction. Can someone move the periodic table Talk to somewhere more appropriate - such as Periodic Table? It doesn't belong under electron orbitals, which, from how it appears in atomic and molecular orbitals, is giving a basic background to orbitals. Next stage is to revise atomic and molecular orbitals...--Ian 15:26, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Complete vs. time-independent wavefunctions

I have some idea of the distinction between the full form of a wavefunction (Ψ) and the form that it takes after the time-dependent term is divided out (ψ), but I don't really have the knowledge to sort it out and make the article consistent and accurate. Could someone take care of this? --Smack (talk) 05:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Period Group**
       
1
   IA
1A		 18
     VIIIA
8A
1 1
   H
1.008		 2
   IIA
2A		 13
   IIIA
3A		 14
   IVA
4A		 15
   VA
5A		 16
   VIA
6A		 17
   VIIA
7A		 2
   He
4.003
2 3
   Li
6.941		 4
   Be
9.012		 5
   B
10.81		 6
   C
12.01		 7
   N
14.01		 8
   O
16.00		 9
   N
19.00		 10
   Ne
20.18
3 11
   Na
22.99		 12
   Mg
24.31		 3
   IIIB
3B		 4
   IVB
4B		 5
   VB
5B		 6
   VIB
6B

7

   VIIB
7B		 8 9 10 11
   IB
1B		 12
   IIB
2B		 13
   Al
26.98		 14
   Si
28.09		 15
   P
30.97		 16
   S
32.07		 17
   Cl
35.45		 18
   Ar
39.95
------- 
   VIII -------

     -------
8 -------
4 19
   K
2-8-8-1		 20
   Ca
2-8-8-2		 21
   Sc
2-8-9-2		 22
   Ti
2-8-10-2		 23
   V
2-8-11-2		 <p align="center">24
   Cr
2-8-13-1		 <p align="center">25
   Mn
2-8-13-2		 26
   Fe
2-8-14-2		 27
   Co
2-8-15-2		 28
   Ni
2-8-16-2		 <p style="color: rgb(255,255,255)">29
   Cu
2-8-18-1		 30
   Zn
2-8-18-2		 31
   Ga
2-8-18-3		 32
   Ge
2-8-18-4		 33
   As
2-8-18-5		 34
   Se
2-8-18-6		 35
   Br
2-8-18-7		 36
   Kr
2-8-18-8
5 37
   Rb
85.47		 38
   Sr
87.62		 39
   Y
88.91		 40
   Zr
91.22		 41
   Nb
92.91		 42
   Mo
95.94		 43
   Tc
(98)		 44
   Ru
101.1		 45
   Rh
102.9		 46
   Pd
106.4		 47
   Ag
107.9		 48
   Cd
112.4		 49
   In
114.8		 50
   Sn
118.7		 51
   Sb
121.8		 52
   Te
127.6		 53
   I
126.9		 54
   Xe
131.3
6 55
   Cs
132.9		 56
   Ba
137.3		 57
   La*
138.9		 72
   Hf
178.5		 73
   Ta
180.9		 74
   W
183.9		 75
   Re
186.2		 76
   Os
190.2		 77
   Ir
190.2		 78
   Pt
195.1		 79
   Au
197.0		 80
   Hg
200.5		 81
   Tl
204.4		 82
   Pb
207.2		 83
   Bi
209.0		 84
   Po
(210)		 85
   At
(210)		 86
   Rn
(222)
7 87
   Fr
(223)		 88
   Ra
(226)		 89
   Ac~
(227)		 104
   Rf
(257)		 105
   Db
(260)		 106
   Sg
(263)		 107
   Bh
(262)		 108
   Hs
(265)		 109
   Mt
(266)		 110
   ---
()		 111
   ---
()		 112
   ---
()		 114
   ---
()		 116
   ---
()		 118
   ---
()
 <p> 
Lanthanide Series* 58
   Ce
140.1		 59
   Pr
140.9		 60
   Nd
144.2		 61
   Pm
(147)		 62
   Sm
150.4		 63
   Eu
152.0		 64
   Gd
157.3		 65
   Tb
158.9		 66
   Dy
162.5		 67
   Ho
164.9		 68
   Er
167.3		 69
Tm 168.9		 70
   Yb
173.0		 71
   Lu
175.0
Actinide Series~ 90
   Th
232.0		 91
   Pa
(231)		 92
   U
(238)		 93
   Np
(237)		 94
   Pu
(242)		 95
   Am
(243)		 96
   Cm
(247)		 97
   Bk
(247)		 98
   Cf
(249)		 99
   Es
(254)		 100
   Fm
(253)		 101
   Md
(256)		 102
   No
(254)		 103
   Lr
(257)
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