Talk:Dorian
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Since the Dorians did not play the guitar (!) the 'guitar chord' terminology to refer to the Dorian mode seems rather out of place. I've changed it. Paul
Dorians and the "Dorian invasion"
These two articles essentially belong together at Dorian, supporting one another until some subsection is overwhelmingly complicated and might stand on its own, represented at the main article by a concise paragraph. Perhaps there are three subsections to the "Dorian invasions" part:
- "The Greek view"
- "Race and Historians: the 19th century view"
- "Archaeology and the modern view"
If you see other natural subdivisions, please insert them, and then let's get going with this interesting big article. --Wetman 06:45, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Dorians and Dorus
Wetman: Yes your revision of my edit is better. Can you be more specific what you mean by "late mythology"? Also I don't quite know how to incorporate the notion that the common ancestry of the Dorians, Ionians, and Aetolians (all "descendants" of Hellen), is more than mere "mythology" and probably represents and the early beginnings of an ethnological theory. Paul August ☎ 20:14, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
- According to a note in Kerenyi, The Heroes of the Greeks p 184, the Dorians recalled that three times Heracles had aided their "oldest king", Aigimios, "under whom they had not yet emigrated to the Peleponnesos." (Kerenyi). Kerenyi's source is Apollodorus (II.7.7), who though he is late, was working with ancient materials lost to us. Robert Graves (Greek Myths) in mentioning that Dorus and his brothers were fathered by Apollo on Phthia, gives Apollodorus as his source. All tribal groups have myths of an "original', whose name is the eponym of the tribe, a Danaus for the Danaans, etc. Even tribal eponyms in Genesis. The oldest ones are essentially eponyms of extended families, who are worshipped in archaic cults into Roman times; Walter Burkert, Greek Religion devotes a chapter VI.1.2 to "Clan and family mysteries". The important descendance, however, is from Heracles, well laid out here (http://www.greecetravel.com/greekmyths/argos15.htm). The figure of "Dorus" is a back-formation, so I guess the first task is to demonstrate that back-formations do exist. --Wetman 20:59, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Dorian invasion and Doris
There is about the same evidence for the "Dorian Invasion" and the "Return of the Heracleidae". The distinction made in the present text is Mueller's dogmatism. Don't see how to fix it right now, but shall return Septentrionalis 18:16, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
If you'll leave Mūller aside, and concentrate instead on the theme of return of the Heracleidae as it is expressed in the written myths themselves, you'll really improve this article. --Wetman 19:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
