Talk:Christian Zionism
From Academic Kids
- The Makuya (http://www.makuya.or.jp/eng/) are a Japanese nonchurch movement sect of Christian Zionists.
I removed the "they won't say it publicly" comments cuz it doesn't sound like encyclopedia material -- makes it sound like Christian Zionists and Jews are being sneaky bastards or somethin. Trey Stone 11:34, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
And just a side comment, I don't really see how Messianic Judaism is Judaism at all, and not Christian. Trey Stone 11:36, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Actually, it can be, see: Gorenberg, The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount (New York: The Free Press, 2000). Some orthodox messianic Jews want to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem so that their Messiah will come, and it is not Jesus. Complicated.--Cberlet 17:01, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What specifically needs work?
I have removed the "cleanup" tag since it seems totally improper. The text is detailed and balanced. If there is a specific complaint, let's talk it over here.--Cberlet 02:48, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
opening paragraph
The opening paragraph links Christian zionism with "evangelical Protestants" in the U.S. My experience is that the theology behind Christian zionism is exclusively "dispensational." I believe most would view "evangelical Protestant" as certainly broader than dispensationalism. E.g. Most Reformed denominations (PCA, CRC, OPC, and Reformed Baptists to name a few) consider themselves evangelical but oppose dispensational theology. Jim Ellis 17:24, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
- The opening paragraph makes it abundantly clear that not all evangelicals adopt Christian Zionism, and dispensationalism is mentioned shortly after that. I do not understand the problem. And not all Christian Zionists are dispensationalist (though most probably are).--Cberlet 19:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
My point is, I believe it is misleading to say Christian Zionism is "common" among evangelical Protestants. It is common among dispensationalists, which in turn is the common theology of independant Bible churches, many independant Baptist congregations, most Pentecostal and Charismatic groups. As far as I can tell, no Anglican, Episcopal, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, or Reformed Baptists exhibit Christian Zionism on theological grounds. I'm no expert. I guess I would like to see some source data that leads you to your statement. Regards, Jim Ellis 01:42, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
"Dispensationalists" is not a term many readers will be familiar with. They are presumably a subset of evangelical Protestants, so the statement that Christian Zionism is a belief among some evangelical Protestants is correct. It doesn't say the belief is "common" among them. Adam 02:49, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I have added several print and link cites that back up the wording in the lead.--Cberlet 03:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I yield to the more seasoned Wikipedians, and I appreciate your efforts. Regardless of the perception of CBS news and others, the theological basis for Christian Zionism resides specifically in dispensationalism. Admittedly there is confusion among terms like fundamentalism, conservative evangelicalism, and (the less familiar) dispensationalism -- I was merely seeking clarification. Regards, Jim Ellis 03:29, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
