Talk:Bitch
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I sometimes call my dog a bitch because it won't "move bitch get out of the way." -quotes a song
Should this be a disambiguation page instead of a redirect? Bitch is used probably more often in its many slang forms than to mean a female dog. --Dante Alighieri 10:37 23 May 2003 (UTC)
Anome, I reverted your edit because the word "bitch" can be regarded as profanity. Dictionary.com defines profanity as "abusive, vulgar, or irreverent language." I think that there are many who would regard the word "bitch" as profanity. --Lowellian 00:59, Apr 6, 2004 (UTC)
Is there any particular evidence of women "reclaiming" the word bitch in the 90s? Can anyone point to articles on this, etc.? The song is definitely interesting and belongs here, but doesn't actually reclaim the word "bitch" any more than it reclaims the word "sinner."
Also, I don't really understand the last paragraph -- I was going to try and clear it up, but I realized I don't know what it means. Can someone point to a source that lays out the argument about bitches, fertility and patriarchy more clearly?
Thomas Mills Hinkle 22:47, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- We don't need articles at all as I there are definitely enough examples (even outside of the 90s). Missy Elliot cleary and repeatedly reclaims the word, for instance, "She's a Bitch". Hyacinth 03:12, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- References are fine -- just the name "Missy Elliot" got me to find a quote of a rolling stone review that mentioned "reclaiming" the word. In fact, if some one knows more about her, it might be interesting to add a section on her work and on how it relates to women/slurs more generally within hip-hop. Thomas Mills Hinkle 11:35, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I still haven't seen any clarification on the following:
- Some second wave feminists hold that bitch is a strong word because, in a patriarchy, women are supposed to be available for men's constant use. Becoming pregnant against a man's will would be an offense against this order.
I find this incomprehensible. Is the idea that bitches(namespace=dogs) are always sexually available? (this of course is untrue -- see estrus). It seems more likely to me that "bitch" is a strong word because it treats women as animals.
That said, perhaps there there are two lines of usage in bitch:
- A demeaning way to label a strident/complaining/upset woman that suggests her concerns are not worthwhile/serious
- A way to label someone as sexually available/subservient (here I can only think of phrases like "be my bitch" or "prison bitch"
Does this make sense? In that case, I could remove the confusing line about second wave feminists and add another section about usage of bitch to connote sexual availability/subservience (which combines with the "prison bitch" meaning). Tom 15:25, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I'm removing the lines above as no one has explained their meaning/importance to me.
Now, perhaps I'm a complete idiot, but I tend to think that people who're mean, insensitive, hard to get along with, or otherwise ill-behaved should not be feeling partiularly good about themselves, much less should they actually be proud of their glaring personality faults. Yes, I'm even talking about women here. I would think that if you're smart enough to recognize your own social ineptitudes the next logical thing would be to rectify them, not embrace them.
- I don't understand what you're referring to Could you give some context and/or explain how your thought relate to the page? Tom 14:57, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Biatch?
"Bizzotch" gets mention, but what about "biatch" (or "biotch")? I'm not sure exactly who/when/where that was popularized, but it's very common now and should be mentioned.
On a different note, would it be appropriate to point out the irony in derisively comparing a woman to a dog when a dog is supposed to be man's best friend? -- Funnyhat 08:18, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Shotgun
How about a reference to one of its other meanings; bitch is another name for a shotgun, as portrayed in the movie "Training Day." Denzel's character says, "Hand me the bitch."
Wiktionary ?
Why isn't this article in the Wiktionary ? It is about an English word, a very good subject for an English dictionnary, but for a multilingual encyclopedia ??? 212.152.18.216 00:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Removed from article:
[ this is not true at all! "to bitch" comes from an old french world, "beech" or somethign of the sort.. no, i have no sources and don't care to find them, but I'm sure if you cared enough to write this entry, you'll care enough to find and post the truth yourself ]
