Talk:Bachelor's degree
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is this the right page to explain the UK system of firsts, 2.1, 2.2, third, etc? If not, where? -- Tarquin
- Go ahead, please. I've got no idea what this is, but I'm curious. And if it really doesa not fit in, we'll eventually find some other place.
- By the way, in German-speaking countries there is no tradition of Bachelor degrees, but at least in Austria they were introduced by law some years ago. This might also be mentioned, but I'm no expert in this field. --KF 22:00, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Should the UK degree classification system mention the percentages associated with each degree? They are:
- 70%-100% First Class Honours (1st)
- 60%-69% Upper Second Class Honours (2:1)
- 50%-59% Lower Second Class Honours (2:2)
- 45%-49% Third Class Honours (3rd)
- 40%-44% Pass without honours
- 0%-39% Fail
Of course there is some variation between universities (mainly the Scottish ones), but the above system is generally used. Furthermore, we might have to explain to our American chums about the low sounding percentages (that a mark in the mid-sixties is actually very good and that marks above 75% are virtually unheard of).
I also think that this school be spun out into a seperate page (UK Bachelor Degree Honours System?), but it would need to be fuller than it is at present, including full details of the (Scottish) variations.
-- Anon.
- I was bold :-) - moved to British Bachelor's degree classification.
In American English these designations are almost invariably written with the terminal period. Also, some universities (most notably MIT) call their B.S. an S.B. instead (and similarly for Master's degrees with S.M. instead of M.S.). Curiously enough, the doctoral degree Sc.D. or D.Sc., although issued much less frequently by American universities, when it is issued is usally abbreviated with "Sc." rather than just "S." as is used for the lesser degrees. Finally, what's the relationship between this topic and the Diplomate designations I see in some European countries?
(As an aside, MIT probably has one of the most complex degree structures of any US university. In electrical engineering, for example, for increasing terms of study one may receive an S.B. [four years], an M.Eng. [five years], an S.M. [six or seven years], an E.E. [same], and any one of several flavors of doctorate. A former colleague of mine actually got most of those, although it took him the better part of fifteen years to do it, stopping for work along the way.) 18.24.0.120 01:50, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be some mention of the B.Phil, a degree awarded at many undergraduate honors colleges.
- I've added it, as well as turning hyphens into proper dashes, correcting the abreviations by adding punctuation (which is certainly the official style for most if not all universities), and correcting the abbreviation for the Ll.B. I started a B.Phil. article recently, and added a brief mention of undergraduate degrees by that name. If there's anything that you think deserves to be added (or changed), please do so. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:26, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
