Talk:Augustus
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Minor question: Is it correct to identify centuries with Roman numerals?
when was he born. when did he die. where was he born.
I think, not pl. (pluralis) Augusti, but gen.(genitivus casus) Augusti. Why pluralis? -LinasLit
- "Pl." is the abbreviation of "plural". The nominative plural form of augustus is augusti. Yes, the genitive singular form of augustus is also augusti, but that is mostly irrelevant to the article; by general convention, Latin nouns in English text are only declined in the nominative case, singular and plural. Publius 12:19, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The justification for an article on Augustus as well as one on Augustus Caesar can only be a discussion of the history and use of the title Augustus. Biographical material about Augustus and his other titles does not belong here. Adam 12:47, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Quite to the contrary, that information is extremely important to understanding the nature of the title Augustus. To simply say that it means "Emperor" is to ignore important distinctions in official and constitutional theory. The name Augustus had no constitutional meaning; it was simply a name given to an extraordinarily powerful citizen. The information about Caesar Augustus's career is an explanation of how that name came to be associated with the Imperial powers and dignities. Caesar Augustus's career is inseparable from the history of the title because he gave it its meaning by an extraordinary concentration of powers.
- To be named Augustus was to be the supreme commander of all Roman legions. Was this because he was named Augustus? No, it was because he had been invested with imperium maius, after the model of Caesar Augustus. To be named Augustus was to be the leader of the Senate and to receive diplomatic envoys on behalf of Rome. Was this because he was named Augustus? No, it was because he was appointed princeps senatus, after the model of Caesar Augustus. to be named Augustus was to have personal inviolability, the right to rescue a plebeian from the hands of a magistrate, and the right to interpose his veto on any act or motion of any magistrate. Was this because he was named Augustus? No, it was because he was voted tribunicia potestas, after the model of Caesar Augustus. To be named Augustus was to be head of the Roman state religion. Was this because he was named Augustus? No, it was because he was elected pontifex maximus, after the model of Caesar Augustus.
- I submit that no article about Augustus is complete without a brief summary of the career of Caesar Augustus, as this career is quite inseparable from what being Augustus meant. If an American citizen somewow created an office called "Algernon" that was simultaneously commander-in-chief, leader of the executive, judiciary, and legislature, head of state, chief priest, and governor of most States of the Union, would it not be odd if the encyclopedia read simply "'Algernon' is chiefly significant as a title first used by Algernon Montcrieff", and gave no further explanation for how being Algernon came to encompass all those offices and powers? Publius 22:42, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Well, OK, but the explanation of that needs to be shorter and clearer than it was in the original version. And it should not be a biography of Augustus, sinec we already have one of those. Also, please explain what "NN" means. Adam 10:45, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Page move?
I recognize that this would require some work, but I think this article should be moved to Augustus (title) and Caesar Augustus moved here. I think that would be more intuitive page names. A quick sampling of What links here shows that a huge number, if not the majority, of links to this page should be to Caesar Augustus - Fornadan 22:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
