Talk:Atonality
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- Schoenberg was the innovator of the system, but his student Webern then began applying the same rules to not only notes, but other aspects of music as well.
Is this really true? Which pieces by Webern serialise more than the pitches? --Camembert
Webern begins using rows starting with Concerto for 9 Instruments in 1934. Messaien begins parameterizing - not rows - dynamics in the 1940's. The term "serial" is Stockhausen's.
- Impressive, User:Stirling Newberry.Hyacinth 01:18, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Sorry to press you on this, but what aspects other than pitch does Webern subject to serial procedures in the Concerto? --Camembert
Dynamics and register are the first to aspects that he begins to apply rows to. Concerto for 9 instruments has a "row" of tone colors and the Piano Variations have a row of dynamics.
- Can you tell me what source you're getting this from? I have to say, I think you are mistaken. What Webern sometimes does is associate certain pitches with certain dynamics and methods of articulation, so that every time you get a B flat, for example, it is forte and staccato. But this cannot really be said to be using serial procedures. However, I won't edit the article until I've have the chance to look at my old notes on this (I've studied the piano Variations quite closely) and some scores, just to be sure. --Camembert
I am not clear where we are in disagreement. I do not see where I said that Webern has serialized dynamics and tone colour separate from the pitch class row. If I have - please show me where.
- I see. I must have misunderstood. I'm glad we're in agreement. --Camembert
This article is beginning to actually look good.
Anyone care to take a crack at describing actual practice?
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I've added a template feel free to add new articles to it. Stirling Newberry 00:29, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)