Talk:Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson
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Should the page not be titled in the format used for other peers, namely: Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson? -- Lord Emsworth 22:47, Dec 17, 2003 (UTC)
I would argue that Alfred is an exception to that rule. He is *always* called Alfred Lord Tennyson, so it makes sense to locate the article here. I suggest making Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson a redirect --Raul654 23:43, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
But, if Alfred Tennyson is always Alfred, Lord Tennyson, why is the page at Alfred Tennyson rather than Alfred, Lord Tennyson? -- Lord Emsworth 11:27, Dec 18, 2003 (UTC)
Good point - if I had to do it, I would have done it that way. Obviously, someone else did it differently. The arguement is academic though - both of those pages (Alfred, Lord Tennyson and Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson) are redirects, so it really makes no difference. --Raul654 13:01, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The modern tendency to credit all his works to "Alfred, Lord Tennyson" notwithstanding, he wrote most of them when he was just plain Alfred Tennyson. About the only really famous thing he wrote after he became Baron Tennyson was "Crossing the Bar". I don't know that that's why this article is Alfred Tennyson, but it seems a plausible explanation. —Paul A 02:31, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The Wikipedia standard is to exclude official, aristocratic and reverential titles from pages names; for example: King George I of Great Britain, Saint Francis of Assisi, President George W. Bush and so on. I am therefor moving this page back to Alfred Tennyson. - (unsigned)
- That hasn't been the standard for some time. Peerage titles are routinely included in article names. But if that were not the case, the rule would be "Use the most common name", which would be "Alfred, Lord Tennyson". No one calls him "Alfred Tennyson". - Nunh-huh 08:23, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Not true - my OUP collection of his works says "Alfred Tennyson" in the one place where it doesn't say just "Tennyson". I think Oxford University is a little authoritative, eh? Stan 14:45, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- New Fangled Innovators that Oxford U! What's next, Betty Windsor?<G>- Nunh-huh 17:12, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It is not practice to exclude aristocratic titles: note all the articles on hereditary peers. Some time ago, there was a poll done, which determines that peerage titles should generally be included, unless they are almost never used (e.g. Robert Walpole). -- Emsworth 01:08, Apr 16, 2004 (UTC)
- Google shows about 2-to-1 for "Alfred Lord Tennyson" over "Alfred Tennyson". Apparently OUP doesn't pay attention to Google statistics. :) Stan 02:46, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I'm not getting into which of the two again, but it seems clear this article should be either at Alfred, Lord Tennyson or Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson. - Hephaestos|§ 02:49, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Generations of English literature students would thank us if it were returned to "Alfred, Lord Tennyson". -- Nunh-huh 02:50, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- The poll on peerage titles indicates that in this case, "Alfred Tennyson, 1st Baron Tennyson" would be appropriate. -- Emsworth 22:29, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)
